CHAPDISC: DH33, The Prince's Tale

[dumbledore11214]

No: HPFGUIDX 184851

> Pippin:
> So, you'd  say that if Harry had told Draco how to get into the 
third
> floor corridor, Harry would only be morally responsible if Fluffy 
got
> hurt? If Draco got torn to pieces, it would not be Harry's fault, 
even
> if Harry had every intention of getting Draco in trouble?

Alla:

As long as we make analogy complete as I see it, that is exactly what 
I am 
saying. Meaning that if Draco wanted to go there and suspected that 
there is a big three headed and very dangerous dog there and went 
there anyways. Yeas that is what I am saying. If Harry somehow 
tricked, made Draco to go there and Draco would not have went on his 
own, then that is not what I am saying.

Pippin:
> Actually, there's an even better parallel in canon: are you going to
> say that it wasn't a dirty trick for Draco to set Harry up for 
Filch?
> Nobody made Harry go to the Trophy Room. All Malfoy told him was 
that
> he'd meet him there at midnight, and it was always unlocked.

Alla:

No I do not think that this is a better parallel at all. Malfoy 
provided a reason for Harry to be there, Harry would not have gone on 
it is own, no? If Sirius would have told Snape - oh hey, we will have 
a duell there, I would have considered it a dirty trick indeed.

Same if Harry really wanted to go to Trophy room and Draco just told 
him how, I would not have hold Draco much responsible or at all. JMO.

Pippin: 
> Sirius didn't have to tell Snape when to find Lupin under the willow
> because Sirius knew that Snape knew that already. Otherwise, I see 
no
> difference.

Alla:

See above. My point is that Snape went there, because Snape wanted 
to, that's all. He would not have *known* how to get there without 
Sirius telling him and I sure hold Sirius responsible for that, but I 
refuse to hold Sirius responsible for Snape's desire to see that 
there is indeed a werewolf there. Especially since I am pretty 
convinced that he was almost sure anyways.

  
>> Pippin:
> Does everyone think Lily was aware beforehand that he was using that
> word?  <SNIP>

Alla:

Well, yes, to me it seems so since she refers to Snape calling 
everybody else that, no?

Pippin:
> IMO, when she had time to think, Lily concluded that it wouldn't 
have
> "slipped out" unless he'd been using it in private already, and that
> was the last straw. In the earlier conversation, she says she's 
tired
> of making excuses for him. That's a misguided way of being 
supportive,
> but it was supportive. <SNIP>

Alla:

But isn't the making excuses contradicts the not knowing part? I do 
agree though that she thought she was being supportive.

Pippin:
One can only wonder what might have happened if
> she'd confronted him  earlier about his behavior instead of 
enabling it. 

Alla:

Sure.