CHAPDISC: DH33, The Prince's Tale
pippin_999
foxmoth at qnet.com
Thu Nov 13 16:34:15 UTC 2008
No: HPFGUIDX 184850
Alla:
> I **do** blame Sirius however for being a stupid idiot who would not
think what would happen to Remus if he bites Snape. But Snape made
the choice to go there; Sirius did not do it for him. I see Sirius
have on obligation to guard Remus' secret, I do not see Sirius have
any such obligation towards Snape.
Pippin:
So, you'd say that if Harry had told Draco how to get into the third
floor corridor, Harry would only be morally responsible if Fluffy got
hurt? If Draco got torn to pieces, it would not be Harry's fault, even
if Harry had every intention of getting Draco in trouble?
Actually, there's an even better parallel in canon: are you going to
say that it wasn't a dirty trick for Draco to set Harry up for Filch?
Nobody made Harry go to the Trophy Room. All Malfoy told him was that
he'd meet him there at midnight, and it was always unlocked.
Sirius didn't have to tell Snape when to find Lupin under the willow
because Sirius knew that Snape knew that already. Otherwise, I see no
difference.
> Leah:
> <SNIP>
> I think the fact that he calls other people 'Mudblood' and that
she's clearly let him get away with it is another indicator that the
friendship truly ended for her a long while before SWM.
Pippin:
Does everyone think Lily was aware beforehand that he was using that
word? When she tells James "I don't want *you* to make him apologize.
You're as bad as he is..." it sounds to me as though she's thinking
she deserves (and would accept) an apology from Snape, and as if she
didn't think calling someone mudblood in a moment of temper is any
worse than hexing people for fun, having a swelled head, and showing
off with a snitch.
IMO, when she had time to think, Lily concluded that it wouldn't have
"slipped out" unless he'd been using it in private already, and that
was the last straw. In the earlier conversation, she says she's tired
of making excuses for him. That's a misguided way of being supportive,
but it was supportive. One can only wonder what might have happened if
she'd confronted him earlier about his behavior instead of enabling it.
I don't think one can say the distancing was all on Lily's part. We
know Snape saw Madame Pomfrey taking Remus to the willow before the
prank and yet he apparently didn't tell Lily about it. Isn't that the
sort of thing you'd tell your best friend?
Pippin
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