CHAPDISC: DH33, The Prince's Tale

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No: HPFGUIDX 184868

Leah:
<SNIP>
So did Sirius set up the Prank just to get
Snape off their backs, to give him a good scare, to put him in
James' debt, or to actually turn or kill him? Snape certainly
believes the latter and that's why he doesn't let go of the Prank.
And putting yourself at some risk does not excuse murder. <SNIP>


Alla:

So Sirius set up the Prank after all? He told Snape how to get into 
the Shack. **That** is the set up you are referring to? 
And all that Snape did is put yourself in **some risk**, some risk 
meaning he  willingly went to see a werewolf.

I will be rearranging some parts of your post, it is more convenient 
for me to answer that way, apologies about that.


Leah:
<SNIP>
The crux of the matter, though, as Carol
has pointed out, is that Snape believes the Marauders interact with
Were!Lupin. They can do so because they are animagi, a crucial fact
that Snape is not told. If Snape believes that three teenage boys
can hang out with a werewolf, logic dictates that the werewolf is
restrained in some way, and that it wouldn't be *that* dangerous for
a fourth teenage boy to go under the Willow. <SNIP>

Alla:

I meant to address it on Carol or Magpie's post, but I may as well 
address it in yours. So Sirius of course does not tell Snape that 
they are animagi. Funny how in the third year he seems to know all 
their names anyways, but for the sake of argument let's say he does 
not know that they are animagi and never known, after all he does 
seem to be surprised at the end of GoF. How does that translate into 
**logic dictate that werewolf is restrained in some way**. Because it 
certainly does not translate into that for me. Snape loves DADA, 
Snape knows what werewolf is and werewolf can do, meaning how 
dangerous it is to go meet with him. He does not know  what Potter 
and his mates are up to, however he certainly knows that they are up 
to **something**, does he not? After all they hung with werewolf and 
they live. To me logically that means that Snape assumes that they 
know some sort of magic, which he does not.  To me that means that 
Snape understand that it is **more** dangerous for him to  go have a 
date with werewolf because Potter and his mates know something he 
does not. And he goes there anyways.

Leah:
<SNIP>

For
example, if a prostitute is killed by a man whose car she has climbed
into while provocatively dressed, that man is still (quite rightly)
guilty of murder.

Alla:

Huh? I do not understand how this analogy applies at all. Is Snape 
prostitute dressed provocatively or Lupin? No matter which one I do 
not get it.
Magpie:
That's what I came away thinking too, after DH. Originally I thought
the point was that Snape knew that MWPP were doing something with the
willow, and he probably thought they were just sneaking out or had
some special secret--something that was obviously not dangerous or
they wouldn't be doing it and living.
<SNIP>

Alla:

Yes, yes me too!

Alla:
However again, holding him responsible for
> unethical behavior to me is way different then holding him
> responsible for entrapping Snape.

Magpie:
<SNIP>
That's the distinction I would make as well after DH. Snape comes out
looking all the more unreasonable being angry about it all those
years later.

Alla:

Yes!

Magpie:
Going back on my own post here, but you're right Sirius does have
some responsibility for concealing the Animagi part. He knows that
Snape is being brave because he must think he'll at least be
protected by whatever protects MWPP. Whether he imagines the werewolf
is restrained or whatever, Sirius would pretty much assume that
they'd get in there and Snape would be vulnerable while he, Sirius,
could just turn into a dog. <SNIP>

Alla:

Ok, maybe you could explain to me how that changes anything. I mean,  
if this information should change something , it should change 
something for Snape's mindset, no? Obviously  even when Sirius tells 
Snape this information he does not have kind thoughts towards Snape, 
at the very least he wants him to be scared by werewolf, yes?

So, see above, I am just now sure how that changes anything for 
Snape. I do not see how him knowing that Marauders hang with werewolf 
and live suddenly translates into him thinking that this means there 
will be less danger for him. They are all wizards, so obviously 
Marauders came up with something, otherwise they would not have lived 
to see the light of the day. Snape does not know what that something 
is and goes there anyway.

JMO,

Alla