CHAPDISC: DH33, The Prince's Tale

[littleleahstill]

No: HPFGUIDX 184869

--- In HPforGrownups at yahoogroups.com, "dumbledore11214" 
<dumbledore11214 at ...> wrote:
> Alla:
> 
> So Sirius set up the Prank after all? He told Snape how to get into 
> the Shack. **That** is the set up you are referring to? 

Leah: Yes, that seems to be admitted by pretty much everyone 
involved, Dumbledore, Lupin, Snape, Sirius himself.

> And all that Snape did is put yourself in **some risk**, some risk 
> meaning he  willingly went to see a werewolf.

Leah: Yes, I said that, and I explained why I thought he did it.
>

> 
> I meant to address it on Carol or Magpie's post, but I may as well 
> address it in yours. So Sirius of course does not tell Snape that 
> they are animagi. Funny how in the third year he seems to know all 
> their names anyways,

Leah: They address each other by those names in SWM, IIRC, so it's 
probable that people knew they called themselves Wormtail etc.  No 
one seems to have concluded that they were animagi based on that.   



>How does that translate into 
> **logic dictate that werewolf is restrained in some way**. Because 
it 
> certainly does not translate into that for me. Snape loves DADA, 
> Snape knows what werewolf is and werewolf can do, meaning how 
> dangerous it is to go meet with him. He does not know  what Potter 
> and his mates are up to, however he certainly knows that they are 
up 
> to **something**, does he not? After all they hung with werewolf 
and 
> they live. To me logically that means that Snape assumes that they 
> know some sort of magic, which he does not.  To me that means that 
> Snape understand that it is **more** dangerous for him to  go have 
a 
> date with werewolf because Potter and his mates know something he 
> does not. And he goes there anyways.

Leah: Why should he assume it is magic done by the Marauders?  He 
knows the school knows about Lupin, he knows Madam Pomphrey takes 
Lupin to the Willow.  The logical assumption surely is that Lupin is 
restrained in some way by official magic, ie magic done by Dumbledore 
or someone else in authority at the school. Quite possibly he is 
restrained in some way and the Marauders let him loose.


> 
> Leah:
> <SNIP>
> 
> For
> example, if a prostitute is killed by a man whose car she has 
climbed
> into while provocatively dressed, that man is still (quite rightly)
> guilty of murder.
> 
> Alla:
> 
> Huh? I do not understand how this analogy applies at all. Is Snape 
> prostitute dressed provocatively or Lupin? No matter which one I do 
> not get it.

Leah: Snape. There have been a few posts that suggest because Snape 
took the risk of going to the Willow, all blame for anything that 
happened there, including a possible murder attempt by Sirius, falls 
onto Snape.  I am just pointing out that is not how the (Muggle)law 
works.  If someone puts themselves into a position of risk (ie 
getting into a car with an unknown man or someone intervening in a 
fight, or someone confronting an armed robber , if you want other 
examples, 
and as a result of that, they are killed deliberately, that is still 
murder. Their recklessness does not get the murderer off the 
hook.       

> Magpie:
> <SNIP>
> That's the distinction I would make as well after DH. Snape comes 
out
> looking all the more unreasonable being angry about it all those
> years later.
> 

Leah: Well, I dont' make that particular distinction.  However, Snape 
is angry not just because he thinks Sirius got away with murder, but 
because of what he (and the rest of the cast) think Sirius did 
afterwards. He has clearly told Dumbledore that he believes Sirius 
tried to murder him at 16, ("my memory is as good as ever, Severus") 
but at that time Dumbledore chose not to believe him, or not to 
punish Sirius, or whatever happened.  Sirius then apparently goes on 
to betray the Potters, something he wouldn't have been able to do if 
he'd been sent to Azkaban earlier.  In POA, he then appears to be 
threatening Harry (he's already broken Ron's leg), and making a mock 
of Snape's promise to protect Harry, just as he apparently made a 
mock of 
Snape's attempt to save Lily.  Snape's anger is not just about the 
Prank, although that's the impression we're given in POA, it's about 
what everyone thinks Sirius did next.

Leah