Plan to move Harry WAS: Re: Caring about people

[dumbledore11214]

No: HPFGUIDX 184551

Carol responds:
<SNIP>
But you're defining "legitimate purpose" differently than Portrait!DD
does. For him, it's of the utmost importance not only to save Harry's
life but to get Snape into Hogwarts as headmaster to protect the
students to the best of his ability. <SNIP>

Alla:

And to me it is stupidity runs amok. I do not see an indication that 
by telling Voldemort about this plan Snape significantly increase his 
standing with him. Neither do I see an indication that Voldemort 
specifically for learning about this plan will reward Snape with 
Headmastership, before the fact indication I mean. I think he 
**already** increased more than enough by killing Dumbledore. I mean, 
of course we can argue that by telling Voldemort more and more Order 
secrets, he will be happier and happier with Snape, no questions 
about it. You do not have to convince me of that. Hypothetically 
Snape can go and kill some other order members and Voldemort may 
reward him beyond all measure.

But to me there is a line and Snape, who is who he is must not 
overstep that line. I think that by telling about this plan he pretty 
much did. Well, actually no, he did not really act as DD wanted him 
to, he saved Lupin, etc. So I do believe that he is less responsible 
than Dumbledore.

I mean, it reminds me of some RL cops, who work undercover to 
undermine drug dealers, etc. Again, I am not personally familiar with 
any RL cops, I am talking about what I see in the news and read in 
the newspapers. So, some cops work so deeply undercover that 
sometimes they slip and start selling drugs themselves or even 
killing people. That's what IMO DD wanted Snape to do. And again IMO 
we can argue till we are blue in the faces where is that line, to me 
that was way over the line.

I am sure there are things those undercover cops are authorized to do 
in order to protect their identities and boy would I not want to do 
their job, but I do think that they have limits over which they are 
not authorized to go. Otherwise, I would not have read about trials 
over them for going over those limits.


Carol:
<SNIP>
The revelation, thoug it seems to increase the Order's danger,
actually makes *no* difference to them or to Harry, whose escape will
be detected and LV notified instantly whether Snape reveals the time
and date or not. What makes the difference for Harry and the Order is
the Poly-juiced Potters plan. <SNIP>

Alla:

I disagree about instant part. I think they may have had at least 
**some** time till Voldemort would have come. Maybe not, but again, 
Dumbledore deprived them  of that choice IMO.

Carol responds:
<SNIP>
You don't see how the Seven Potters diversion is better than a single
Harry? *That's* what makes the different. <HUGE SNIP>

Alla:
Well, no. I do not see how **telling DE** about seven Potters plan 
was better than not telling them about it. What I am saying if 
Dumbledore would have come up with Seven Potters only, would be fine 
by me. It is giving it to Voldemort what makes me scratch my head.

Again, we are going to have to agree to disagree on whether 
increasing Snape's standing in Voldemort's eyes is a good reason for 
doing so. I made up my mind that it is not, BUT if somebody could and 
wishes to show me that telling DE about this plan was going to help 
**protect Harry**, I would love to hear it.

JMO,

Alla