Harry's choice to save the world WAS:Re: Snape as Harry's protector

dumbledore11214 dumbledore11214 at yahoo.com
Sun Oct 19 20:58:10 UTC 2008


No: HPFGUIDX 184707

Pippin:
<SNIP>
I don't think the living Potters et al, would have *liked* it. I
wouldn't like it if my grown son decided to throw himself in front of
a truck to save a baby. God forbid. But what kind of person would say
that he *shouldn't* do it? <SNIP>

Alla:

I am really uncomfortable to say that with your son's person even in 
hypothetical, so I will stick to Harry. What kind of person would say 
that he **should** do it? As long as it is his choice, I respect and 
support it, but if anybody is **pushing** him to make this choice, 
yes, I have lots of problem with it.

And yes, I feel that Dumbledore wanted to push him to do it, 
otherwise I think he should have revealed it much much earlier AND 
tell Harry that it is his choice and nobody else AND tell Harry that 
he may have a good chance of surviving.

In fact in HBP Dumbledore says that Voldemort no longer employs 
legilimency against Harry, yes? So what kind of excuse Dumbledore has 
for not bringing this information to Harry before besides storyline 
needs?


Montavilla47:
I think what you are missing, for me, is that, while it's selfish to 
want
your kids or loved ones to live when it's better for the world that 
they
sacrifice their lives, it's still the parents' role to be that 
selfish. Parents
are supposed to want their kids to be alive and, if possible, happy.

Even if that's bad for the world.
<SNIP>

Alla:

Totally totally agreed. I mean I know what Pippin is saying about 
parents trying to respect the choice the child makes and I also 
understand that she said that she would not like it, but I think what 
we are also talking about here is what parent would **encourage** 
their child to make that choice?

As I said I do not have a problem with the Stone!Lily giving Harry 
encouragement and support for the reasons I described, but if she was 
alive, she better tell Harry her mind as well while supporting him, 
otherwise I would find it, well, bizarre.

One of my grandmother's brothers went to regular army during Second 
war II and was killed. My great grandmother from what I heard begged 
him not to go. If she would have begged him **to go**, I would find 
it weird, you know?

And you know, thinking about it, my great grandmother and several 
other of her grown children and their kids were killed when natzis 
came because they a) did not have time to get out or b) refused to 
believe that natzis will just kill them all.

The only part of my great grandmother's family who survived was the 
one who run. If they did not, I would have never been born.

So, I am going back to Potterverse with all this personal story, I 
promise.

Yes, I do believe that Harry could have been happy if he left that 
world, had there been no Voldemort's piece in him and no, I do not 
believe he would have been horrible person if he indeed run. 

I like heroes who save the world in the fictional stories and in real 
life, but I think that it does not mean that those who are not heroes 
are bad people.

I know that neither you no Pippin are saying that, I am just going on 
the tangent.

JMO,

Alla





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