Dumbledore versus General Iroh SPOILERS for Avatar the Last airbender LONG

[sistermagpie]

No: HPFGUIDX 184732

> Magpie:
> Harry's prideful arrogance didn't come into contact with a Peter
> Pettigrew is the main difference.
> 
> Pippin:
> Harry met a lot of potential Pettigrews, he just didn't make friends
> of them.

Magpie:
And had no need to grow out of whatever prideful arrogance he might 
have started out with. Since Harry doesn't have James's flaws, he 
doesn't have to overcome them.

> Magpie:
> So Dumbledore manipulates again by "allowing" Harry to think that he
> betrayed him, and Harry decides by himself to follow Dumbledore
> 
> Pippin:
> It was manipulative of Dumbledore to get Harry to  think for himself
> and decide to do the right thing? How do you see that as different
> from leadership? 

Magpie:
Yes, I think by definition getting someone to do something would be 
called manipulation. It's Dumbledore's philosophy of being a leader 
so yeah, he's being a leader there when he does it. But I wasn't 
challenging Dumbledore's methods there, just describing the different 
position Dumbledore has/had relative to the hero when the story's all 
done than Iroh does/did. I think the use of the word "allow" 
and "getting Harry to think for himself" is quite correct. It's what 
keeps Dumbledore in a different position relevent to Harry than the 
positioning of Zuko and Iroh, who doesn't get Zuko to do those 
things.  The use of "leader" there is also correct--Iroh's not a 
leader. (He has been--he was a General and leads a force into battle 
at one point, but his role is not that of leader within the story.)

-m