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[pippin_999]

No: HPFGUIDX 184363

Catlady:
> I had a similar reaction to Pippin's
> <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPforGrownups/message/184292>:
> 
> << I think we are meant to look to Dumbledore for a clue to Snape's
> feelings: pity for Narcissa, mingled with disgust at her lack of
> concern for other innocent lives. >>
> 
> I question whether 'disgust' is the right word. To me, disgust is a
> visceral rather than intellectual emotion, so Snape would feel
> 'disgust' at Narcissa's lack of concern for other lives only if his
> concern for those lives was also visceral. I think even heroic Snape
> doesn't go in for compassion and empathy (words for feeling other
> people's pain as a visceral feeling).

Pippin:
The  innocent lives that Narcissa is showing lack of concern for are
Dumbledore's and Snape's own (which she is endangering with the UV),
lives to which Snape's emotional connection is well-established. I
agree he might not feel the same about others. 

Catlady:
> 
> For the same reasons, I question whether DD really felt disgust when
> he said 'You disgust me'. Whether he felt it or not, he said it to
> manipulate young Snape. This is the DD who sent trusting adults on
> what they didn't know were suicide missions all the time without
> feeling nauseated or grief-stricken and expected to do the same with
> little Harry as I mentioned in my above comment to Carol. Not a
whole lot of visceral compassion and empathy.

Pippin:

Dumbledore was personally attached to James and Lily (according to
Hagrid they were very close) -- they weren't nameless or faceless to
him. I think he wished to god and Harry Potter that he didn't care
about anything but his plans, but he was never capable of that. 

As for trusting adults, anyone who joined the Order knew that they
were going to fight a losing battle, and that they would be told only
as much as Dumbledore thought they needed to know to carry out their
part.  The Order is not the DA -- it's not something that people
joined because they'd get a chance to meet a famous Dark Wizard
fighter, get ahead in life and pick up some useful skills.(Sounds more
like the Slug Club, doesn't it?) The Order's goal was to defend
innocent lives, at the cost of their own if necessary.

Moody knew there would be Death Eaters watching Privet Drive in any
case, and why would Voldemort station watchers unless he intended to
be able to act if Harry tried to leave earlier than expected? 

We know LV could summon  death eaters in minutes even if they aren't
expecting an immediate call to action, and in this case he would
certainly have had them standing by. The only thing the DE's gained by
Dumbledore's leak was the opportunity for the ambush itself -- the
pursuit would still have happened, whatever Ted thinks. 

But only poor Hedwig dies in the actual ambush -- all the other
casualties take place *after* the Order has broken through the circle.
So the ambush failed, just as Dumbledore had planned that it would. 

Pippin