HBP Chapters 27 - 30 post DH look

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No: HPFGUIDX 184472

> Pippin:
> ::sputters:: But Harry *is* there under the invisibility cloak, and
> Ron is his best friend. He isn't upset, so I don't see why Molly and
> Arthur would be. Draco had less intention of harming Ron than Lupin
> did when he transformed into a werewolf, or Sirius did when he broke
> Ron's leg. As Hagrid says, Hogwarts has always been a dangerous 
place.


Alla:

Ron is not Harry's son.


Pippin: 
> I think I am going to start DDAB -- Dumbledore Deserves  A Break

Alla:

LOL. I am going to start Characters deserve a break from Dumbledore

> 
> > Alla:
>  
> > Before questions will be asked, I am cutting her slack as 
individual
>  who IMO suffered trauma here, not as teacher, who just must have 
> correct reactions all the time.
> 
> Pippin:
> They must? If there  aren't enough saints to teach all our children,
> must they remain ignorant? 


Alla:

I was **defending** Minerva, Pippin.


> Pippin:
> You're forgetting that Dumbledore would have died, from the poison 
he
> had ingested or from the Ring Curse, in any case. If Harry had not
> been immobilized, he would have tried to attack the DE's, and they
> would have probably have killed him, not withstanding their orders
> from Voldemort, to save their own lives. 

Alla:

You are not seriously suggesting that I forgot such major plot 
points. Just in case - I did not forget.

And notwithstanding that I see no reason for Dumbledore making sure 
Harry sees all of that and receives such heartbreak. Send him away 
Dumbledore and then do what you wish IMO.

 
> Alla:
> > I think I was hoping that he genuinely cared about people despite 
> > necessity of making tough choices. I do not think that he ever 
cared
>  about anybody any more. I believe that he came to love Harry, sort 
of.
> 
> Pippin:
> If he did genuinely care about people but still had to make tough
> choices, choices that meant people  had to suffer or die (because
> otherwise they wouldn't be tough) what would he have done 
differently?
> Cried more? Agonized longer? Who would that help?
>

Alla:

You asked. :-)

Well, cared about people, but had to make tough choices in my book 
does NOT mean make those choices without people's consent and without 
giving them enough information to choose themselves whether they 
agree or not especially in the matters of life and death.

Care about people, but making tough choices in my book means for 
example if one just MUST place a baby in his relatives' care ( I am 
putting aside whole Sirius' angle, for a while, does not mean that I 
agree with that), one must must must to make sure that he is checking 
upon that baby's wellfare.

Care about people but making tough choices means in my book sharing 
information with the people about what they are facing, and making 
sure that your Tools trust each other. In fact that means in my book 
making sure that people are NOT tools for you and you just do not go 
ahead and betray the plan to Voldemort for I am still not sure which 
reason. I feel that Moody died specifically because Dumbledore made 
sure he will ( not him specifically but whatever person will fall in 
that raid).


Hmmm, oh yes, if you decide to put the ring stupidly on you and now 
think that your death will be useful, you do not, do not, do not ask 
the man who does not want to do it ( HA, I of all people now have no 
doubt whatsoever that Snape was not playing or anything, that he 
really did not want to kill Dumbledore)

If you need to, you commit suicide.


Oh and how about not raising a boy as a pig for slaughter?

So, I guess in my book caring about people, but making tough choices 
does mean acting a bit differently than Dumbledore did.

JMO,

Alla