HBP Chapters 27 - 30 post DH look LONG SORRY

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No: HPFGUIDX 184476

Pippin:
Since Draco did not personally attack anybody (except Harry
who was spying on him) knowing that Draco was trying to kill
Dumbledore would not have made anyone safer.

Alla:

Indeed, but making sure Draco is not a threat in my opinion would 
have definitely made everybody's safer.


Pippin:
<SNIP>
Without
independent and *convincing* evidence that Draco was involved in the
attacks, a move against Draco would not only compromise Draco but
Snape too. That would leave the students in far more danger than Draco
could manage with his feeble attempts at harm. Would it be caring
about people to leave Hogwarts to the Carrows?

Alla:

I think Dumbledore knew what Draco was doing perfectly well; I do not 
think that he making sure Draco cannot do anything would have somehow 
compromised Snape, since Dumbledore could have learned about Draco's 
activities on his own for all Voldemort knows IMO.
And how does apprehending Draco translates into leaving Hogwarts to 
Carrows I am not sure I understand.

Pippin:
I do not see that Dumbledore concealed from Molly or Arthur or anyone
else that their children weren't completely safe. They had the option
of sending their children elsewhere if they didn't trust Dumbledore's
judgment on how to protect them.

Alla:

You really do not see a difference between saying in general that 
your children are not safe here and telling them that I KNOW the 
identity of the person who is doing these things and because of who 
your son almost died? Hmmm, I know there is no way to prove it, but I 
bet that had Molly and Arthur heard something like that, they would 
have done something. IMO of course.



Pippin: 

It's already been pointed out that Dumbledore tried to send Harry away
twice.

Can you explain how Dumbledore could have sent Harry away once he had
lost his wand?

Alla:

I think he should have expressly forbid Harry to go to Tower and yes, 
I am positive that Harry would have obeyed, especially after he 
obeyed in the cave. 

Pippin: 
He did check. He says he watched over Harry very carefully. He did not
try to bully or bribe the Dursleys into treating Harry any better. But
canon shows us that bullying doesn't help in the long run, and that
bribes have a way of growing until they're insupportable.

Alla:

Um, sorry, in my book checking on the baby's welfare does not mean 
observing and doing nothing if there is trouble.

And speaking about caring about people and making tough choices, I do 
not think that Dumbledore gets to have it both ways and still be a 
caring person. If he did not want to bully Dursleys, he IMO should 
not have given them Harry in the first place.

That's way too convenient for Albus dear IMO, because I do not see 
how he in this situation can care about Harry AND Dursleys, and come 
out smelling like a rose. IMO if he is giving Harry to Dursleys, he 
is duty bound to do anything it takes and yes, if necessary bully 
Dursleys to make sure Harry is treated well. 

What I am trying to say is that in my opinion by the **act itself of 
giving Harry to Dursleys** he shown that he does not give a d*mn 
about their feelings, which is fine by me, if the situation so 
demands, but now he cannot just disregard how the innocent baby is 
treated IMO. If he chose to give a baby to unfit guardians, I think 
now he does not have a luxury to distance him and just let people do 
whatever they like.

And again, this is all notwithstanding that I believe that he should 
have left Harry with Sirius.

I am just for the sake of argument willing to assume that he 
genuinely believed Sirius is a killer and he could do nothing. In 
this situation taking Harry to Dursleys is indeed a tough choice, 
which for the sake of argument ONLY I am willing to entertain.

Pippin: 
He put the Ring on because he cared about people. He cared about the
family he had lost.

I suppose Dumbledore could have thrown himself off the parapet, but I
don't see how that would have shown that he cares about people.
Wouldn't they have seen it as an act of despair?


Alla:

I was talking about him not caring about one person in that instance, 
the one whom he ordered to do a killing thing.

Dumbledore consulted nobody when he decided that he wants to die for 
the good of the cause, which is again fine by me. But I do not 
believe that he had any right to insist that person who IMO clearly 
did not want to do it, because of harming his soul, should have done 
it.

I will be the first one to say that no matter how coldly Dumbledore 
treated Snape when he came to him eighteen years; Snape as far as I 
am concerned deserved every minute of it.

But eighteen years later? When Snape gave him years of service? No, 
nothing can convince me that Dumbledore insisting Snape killing him 
acted any other way than cold bastard.

And yes, I think he should have dropped from parapet, or AK himself,  
in fact why did he not AK himself before he lost his wand?

Could it be (and this is of course speculation nothing more) that he 
did not want to perform another unforgivable curse and wanted other 
person to harm their soul instead? HMM.

I seem to remember when I was so vehemently arguing about Dumbledore 
and Snape cooking up a plan of killing DD before DH came out and I 
was proven so completely wrong that one of the main casualties of 
this storyline to me will not be Severus Snape, I already hated him 
after all, I seem to remember saying that the main casualty of this 
storyline to me will be Albus Dumbledore. Yep, I was right as to how 
I feel now.


JMO,

Alla