Snape's Psychology: WAS: More thoughts on the Elder Wand subplot - Owner?

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> Jen: I understand what you're saying zanooda. 

Alla:

Good maybe you can explain it for me my dear then :-) or more like maybe you can explain to me where is the moment that I am missing.

Jen:
Snape never actually makes his request in his own words, something I never noticed until you brought it up.

Alla:

But he does in his responce to DD, why are you saying that he does not? So confused I am.

Jen:
He's distraught, responding to Dumbledore's assumptions. DD implies Snape only wants to save Lily, and Snape appears to agree with DD's wording, but he's also obsessing about Lily's safety and barely paying attention to Dumbledore imo.  To paraphrase, Snape is saying, 'I want Lily to live' rather than 'I want James and Harry to die.'  

Alla:

ABSOLUTELY. I completely agree with you that Snape is saying here "I want Lily to live". I never said that Snape is saying here that I want James and Harry to die. I mean, do not get me wrong, I heavily speculated in the past that Snape wants Lily for himself, etc, etc, etc and would not mind at all to get rid of James and Harry, but I at least do not remember saying that this is what canon says. And it certainly was not my intention to say it.

What I had been saying all along is that this scene says that Snape tells Dumbledore "I want Lily to live" and what he **does not say** is that I want James and Harry to live. Are we in agreement on that? I mean in agreement that Snape does not say that.

Because it seems to me that Zanooda is saying that we cannot be sure that Snape would not have asked for **James and Harry to live** had he not been initially interrupted by Dumbledore. Again, I am not disputing that Snape is not saying in that scene that he wants for them to die, to me that is **inference** from him **not asking Dumbledore to save them**. But him not asking, to me is very clear in the scene for the reasons I explained upthread.

Am I making sense Jen? I thought Zanooda is disputing a fact that Snape is not asking Dumbledore to save them, am I confused?

Jen: 

> That's the perfect moment for Snape to start ranting about James, denouncing him for not be able to protect Lily, ranting about how James and his good-for-nothing son deserve to die.  He doesn't do that though.  His only focus is Lily and James/Harry are an afterthought, an unusual moment given the Snape/James dynamic up to that point. <SNIP>
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Alla:

His focus is Lily in the scene, I again agree with that.

JMO,

Alla