Snape's Psychology: WAS: More thoughts on the Elder Wand subplot - Owner?

[zanooda2]

No: HPFGUIDX 187528

--- In HPforGrownups at yahoogroups.com, "Jen Reese" <stevejjen at ...> wrote:

> I believe all zanooda is saying is that Snape never makes 
> his initial request in his own words.


zanooda:

Yes :-).


> Jen wrote: 

> Snape's later words indicate he *agrees* with Dumbledore's 
> intepretation.


zanooda:

Yes again, although each person can be certain of this to a different degree. For example, for you and Alla it is 100% yes, and for me it is 95% yes. I agree that Snape most probably wanted to ask only to protect Lily, but I leave a little space for a doubt. I think maybe he just didn't have any statement prepared beforehand, you know? 

Maybe he was too distraught to think through what he was going to say when he rushed to meet DD. He didn't care at all about James and Harry (that's why he shrinks and that's why he says "then"), but to me it doesn't mean he wouldn't say "hide them" when it actually came to saying something. 

I'm not saying it's what would have happened, it's all theoretical -  just my 5% worth of doubt :-). You know, that "reasonable doubt", LOL. But the point is, you are right in saying that my initial post was not about Snape's intentions, whatever they were, it was simply about the fact that we usually word our description of this scene in a wrong way, IMO, saying that "Snape didn't ask DD to save Harry and James".


> Jen: 

> I think zanooda was saying that hypothetically speaking, 
> Snape could have asked Dumbledore to save all three Potters 
> had he been given the chance to voice his request - we'll never 
> know. I understood it as a technical point about the writing.


zanooda:

Exactly, this is all from a technical point of view :-). We can say "Snape didn't care if James and Harry lived", or even "Snape didn't intend to ask DD to protect James and Harry", but we can't say (and we always do :-)) "Snape didn't ask DD to protect James and Harry", because technically speaking it's not true. If Snape came to DD and said: "LV thinks that Lily's son is the prophecy baby, he wants to kill them all, so please hide Lily, save her", - then it would be true. It's all about the wording, see :-)?


> Jen:

> The point is we'll never know how Snape was planning to word 
> his request to DD.


zanooda:

Right, or maybe he wasn't planning at all... :-).


   
> Jen:   

> Possibly he was less crazy before leaving his body and 
> getting rebirthed.


zanooda:

Yeah, maybe each new Horcrux made him less human not only physically? At the time of GH he had five Horcruxes, but he lost one more soul bit to baby Harry, and he created Nagini Horcrux when he was BabyMort. So when he was reborn, his soul was more mutilated than before. I mean, the way he treats his followers in DH is so unwise, even irrational...