Prophecy (was Re: What would Snape have done if Lily had lived? (Was: Mothers)

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Potioncat:
I don't see how either scenario makes Snape a blameless tool. It was his choice
to tell LV. My point is only that there are other ways the prophecy could have
played out. I would love to know the evolution of this plot line. Did JKR
consider different variations until she hit on the final one? <SNIP>

Alla:

Oh of course prophecy could have played out in many different ways had JKR decided to do so, I thought you were saying that  in the storyline that we have it is also assumed that no matter what as soon as Trelawney spoke the prophecy it was bound to come true.

Does it make sense? It is not that I do not see different scenarios which could (and maybe they did) played out in JKR's head before she chose this one. It is just I do not see that in *this*scenario it is a given that even without Snape's  involvement prophecy was bound to come true.

Potioncat:
Do you think that if Snape had not told LV, that the prophecy would have worked
out some other way?

Alla:

Of course I cannot know it, but I certainly think that it is a possibility, that the prophecy would not have worked out at all.

Potioncat:
 Like, Harry would have grown up and taken on LV? Because, I
don't see any pleasant outcome if LV had vaporised himself in Godrick's Hollow.
Or do you think if LV had not heard the prophecy that someone else would have
been able to defeat him?

Alla:

Yep, I am inclined to think that your last sentence could have easily come true, I mean maybe not easily, but possibly. I mean, again I am coming from the idea that  we do know about prophecies that did not come true and based on this canon fact I am speculating that the reason they did not come true is because certain conditions for that were not fulfilled. I believe that Snape's involvement was a very significant condition to come true. I could be wrong of course, but this is what I believe.

As to who could have defeated Voldemort, really I have no idea. If we speculate that the prophecy remains unfulfilled, to me it means that maybe somebody else (Harry or no Harry) could have at least had a shot at doing it. Maybe they won, maybe they would have failed.  But I think that Snape by delivering the prophecy put the final nail in the coffin so to speak. IMO of course.


Potioncat:
Again, I'm coming from the idea that once a prophecy appears in a storyline, it
has to play out in some way.

Alla:

Absolutely, I agree that writer intends for prophecy to play out if it is in the storyline, I however not sure if I agree that if we are looking from within the story that in Potterverse especially once prophecy is spoken it is just has to come true.