Lily and Snape/Loving couples in canon

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No: HPFGUIDX 188665



> Pippin:
> If failing to save Lily proves that Snape didn't love her, then  James couldn't have loved her either. But I don't think that's the case. 
> 
> Just being willing to die wasn't enough. It was having a choice that allowed Lily to save Harry. Ironically, if  Snape had died in the course of spying for Dumbledore "at great personal risk", then not only would Lily not have been saved, Harry wouldn't have been saved either. With Snape dead, Voldemort would no longer have had a reason to offer LIly any chance to live.


Alla:

Oh yeah, that is true. I think it is even more ironical that had Snape died much earlier than in course of spying for Dumbledore, Lily and James may not have been ever given to Dumbledore as prophecy couple. 

But replying to the thread in general, it had been my position for a long time that Snape obsessed and loved Lily indeed, but I saw Snape as obsessing over alive Lily and only transforming his feelings into more noble sort of love after she was dead. Thus going back to original question, I could easily imagine Snape never letting Lily go completely, but doing something as creepy as spying in her windows, etc, etc. Before I get a rebuttal that it is not in canon, I DO realize that, however since canon does not definitely say that five year WAS their last interaction, not as far as I remember anyway, I feel free to **speculate**, that just goes in line how I see Snape's character. 


Pippin:
> I think the silver doe shows that Snape's love was real, as do the risks he took on Lily's behalf.  Love  didn't stop him from being a jerk or give him insight into Lily's feelings or Harry's character. 

Alla:

Yeah, I agree with that lol.

Pippin:
The characters in canon who show consideration and insight do so because they've found that's an effective way of dealing with people, not because they love. Barty Crouch Jr is the proof of that. 


Alla:

Wait, I do not think that what you are saying is that the only real love shown in canon is the love of the jerk or somebody who shows no insight or consideration in other character's feelings?

And everybody else are just manipulators?  Yes, Molly shrieked at Arthur a lot, but it seemed to me that in OOP and HBP they were shown as a loving couple (not perfect of course) who tried to help each other. My opinion of course.

And I don't know, adults Harry and Ginny seemed to me to be pretty much in tune with each other in the epilogue.

And Andromeda and Ted in the limited space that we saw them did not seem to me to be rubbing each other the wrong way too.

And it seemed to me that Lupin finally learned some consideration and insight in how Tonks feels.

What I am trying to say is that while I do believe that Snape at least learned to love Lily for real, dead or alive, I do not buy that his example is the example of the only real love in canon.

JMO,

Alla