First lesson WAS: Re: Marietta, was Slytherin's Reputation

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 Leah:
>
> You know, it's not exactly unheard of for a teacher to single out
one
> student to answer questions. It does happen in classrooms from
time to
> time. Is Snape just acting like a 'normal' teacher here? No, I
don't
> think that he is.

Alla:

How can I pass up the first lesson lol? Yes, it does happens in
classrooms from time to time, no in my opinion it should not happen
for the reasons that happened to Harry.

Leah:
>Does he have reasons for singling out Harry? Yes:

Alla:

Well, it depends on whether one considers any of those reasons to be
appropriate for doing what he did to Harry, doesn't it?

I don't.

Leah:
> 1. It's his job to protect Harry - it would help to know what Harry
is
> like.

Alla:

How does it help Snape to protect Harry to ask the questions we know
that he will not know? I argued that many times and I do not remember
that it was ever refuted with certainty. How would teachers tell
especially to muggleborns that there is homework? There is nothing to
that effect on that letter that Harry receives, isn't it?

YES, he read the books, he says that they are interesting, good for
him, no he probably did not read or did not remember the part to 
answer Snape's questions and as
far as I understand neither him no Hermione had to do that. But
Hermione reads and remembers everything, so the fact that she (and
nobody else) knows the answer really does not tell me that it means
homework was given.

> 2. The whole James/Lily thing and more specifically: Is Harry
arrogant
> like his father? Is he a potions whizz like his mother?

Alla:

So, Snape needed to give Harry some of preliminary humiliation if he
is "arrogant like his father"?

Leah:
> 3. Is Harry a potential Dark Lord? Snape recalls to Bellatrix at
> Spinners End that the Death Eaters thought Harry might be a
potential
> leader. If he does have Dark Lord potential, tnen Snape (and
> Dumbledore) need to know that, so again find out what he's like.
Snape
> and Harry have already had an odd 'encounter' when Quirrellmort
made
> Harry's scar hurt, but Harry attributed the feeling to Snape who
was
> looking at him at that time. Harry must have looked odd to Snape,
and
> possibly Snape was already getting vibes himself from Quirrelmort.

Alla:

I am sorry I find this reason to be funny. So, if Harry does not know
answers he is not a Dark Lord and Vice versa?

Leah:
> And because we see this all from Harry's perspective, we are
> deliberately given the impression that Snape is setting out to
> humiliate Harry, but really, wny would Snape think Harry couldn't
> answer the questions?

Alla:

And what is what happening on the first lesson reported
inaccuratedly? Which fact is distorted I wonder? No, I am not given
deliberate impression that Snape is set out to humiliate Harry, I
think this is a fact of what happened on the first lesson. As to why
Snape would think why he would not answer questions? Probably because
he did not give homework to the kids before they ever came to school?

Harry:
He's had his potions textbooks for a month,and
> we know that in fact he has read them; we learn that when he's at
the
> Dursleys' and are reminded of it again while Snape is questioning
him.
> He just hasn't taken them in.

Alla:

Or he took them in, after reading books for fun, just not every
little detail.

Leah:
>The information required to answer has to
> be in the textbooks because Hermione, a muggleborn, manages to know
all
> the answers.

Alla:

If anybody else would have known it, I would agree. Hermione to me
really is exception, we do know that she reads everything indeed,
nobody else seems to know, don't they?

Leah:
Snape also knew Harry's parents at school and very
> probably shared classes with them. We know from McGonagall that
James
> was bright and did well at school, and we have Slughorn's opinion
of
> Lily's potions prowess, so it is not unlikely that Harry is going
to be
> a child who is interested and does well academically.

Alla:

I fully believe that Snape majorly contributed to Harry NOT doing
well academincally in Potions by killing his interest forever on this
lesson. And he still gets such a good grade on OWLS. YAY Harry.


Leah:
> Unfortunately, Harry doesn't know the answers and makes matters
worse
> by cheeking Snape. We know this is how Harry copes with the
Dursleys,
> but Snape doesn't. It's just cheek and raises the James factor in
> Snape's eyes. From then on, it's downhill all the way. <SNIP>

Alla:

No, it is not just cheek, in my opinion it is not cheek at all. I
read it as Harry sincerely answering Snape that Hermione knows.

Leah:
<SNIP>
>There is a deliberate Harry filter
> in the presentation of Snape.

Alla:

Not in what narrator describes in my opinion, I do not believe
anything on first lesson is described incorrectly facts wise.

Leah:
>And yes, Snape is an adult, but he is,
> like Sirius, a damaged and emotionally retarded adult, who gets
> absolutely no teaching support from his headmaster.


Alla:

Funny, for years I thought Snape gets more teaching support from his
Headmaster than he ever deserves. Because I thought Dumbledore
deliberately turns blind eye on what he does to Harry and Neville,
and Hermione.

The only support I would have given Snape was to tell him to stop
doing what he does to Harry or he will be kicked out of Hogwarts, but
of course we know now that Dumbledore needed Snape and yes, before
you ask I hold Dumbledore responsible too.

JMO,

Alla