First lesson WAS: Re: Marietta, was Slytherin's Reputation LONG

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> > Alla:
> > 
> > No, but I believe that Snape's bullying was to produce that effect, 
> > that this is something Snape would have dearly liked to see. Again, 
> > IMO.
> > 
> 
> Pippin:
> Since it never happens, we can't know that. You are telling me your
> issue is with Snape's behavior, and I believe that, but  Snape's
> intentions and desires are not behavior, IMO. And as they can't be
> measured, how is Dumbledore to know whether Snape has changed them or 
not?
<SNIP>

Alla:

I know he did not change them, Snape that is. I know that he is still 
indignant when Dumbledore is asking about change of heart as to Harry. 
I know that at the moment of his supposed great distress, when Snape 
just killed Dumbledore, he is still got time to say *you and and your 
filfy father* to Harry. It is to me evidence a plenty that he got Harry 
and James majorly mixed up in his head, IMO of course.

You are right we do not hear Snape saying I want you to fear me, but I 
think I can easily infer it based on what I hear Snape saying and doing.

I know Snape hates Harry, I know that I cannot buy any other reasons of 
why he would run that questioning of him on the first lessons, ergo he 
run that questioning because he hated Harry on sight.

Of course it is an inference, but I happen to find it much stronger one 
than  say for example the one about Slytherins coming back. And even 
that one I can see easily.

My opinion of course.

Pippin:
<SNIP>
Dumbledore could certainly order Snape to act as if he liked Harry.
But I really do not see how that would help.

Alla:

Frst of all I do not need Dumbledore order Snape to act as if he liked 
Harry. That would be nice, but I really do not think Snape is capable 
of human kindness to anybody but Lily and maybe Malfoys?. I want 
Dumbledore to order Snape to act as if he was ANY other student in his 
class, would be nice if he included Neville and Hermione in there.
 I think it would help Harry to be much more capable student if Snape 
refrained from his bullying and just taught.

I think that JKR in Snape described a teacher similarly to what Sherry 
described upthread, I mean it is all great that Harry's and Neville 
courage prevailed over his methods.

But I think a very reasonable possibility would be of somebody turning 
them off the studying forever.

I am glad it did not happen and I am glad that JKR spared her future 
wizarding kids from Snape at school, but I will not think of what Snape 
did any differently just because he could have hurt Harry and Neville 
even more and they turned out to be too strong for him.

I think Neville especially is shown as suffering a lot (boggart) from 
Snape and no thanks to Snape again that his spirit was so strong IMO.

Alla:
>
> Yes, Mcgonagall is centuries ahead than Snape to me in that
> department, she is flexible enough to change her opinion of Neville,
contrary to Snape's opinion about Harry.

Pippin:
How did she change her opinion? She still did not think he was good
enough at Transfiguration to continue the course.

Alla:

She learned to respect him for who he is, it seemed to me and wanted 
his grandmother did the same, something that Snape unfortunately never 
did, respecting Harry for who he is.

Alla:
> It did not feel to me that Harry was feeling very brave when he was
> going to Snape for Occlumency lessons and he did not break any rules
yet. I think this was a cumulative effect of all previous five years.

Pippin:
He felt nervous, as anyone would if they had to enter an enclosed
dungeon lined with slimy things in jars, and stand there, eyes
closed, while a much more powerful person aimed a weapon at them. <SNIP>

Alla:

My opinion is that he felt nervous because he went to study with Snape. 
Harry went to LOTS of dark places and was being significantly less 
nervous to me than how he described here. Do not have book with me now.

Pippin:
There would be a lot more people in Azkaban if Dumbledore's word was
enough to put them there. It isn't.

Alla:

Of course not, but I am left with the opinion that Dumbledore's "Snape 
is no more a DE than I am" was the deal breaker that saved him from 
Azkaban.  We did see what happened to those at the hearing that 
Dumbledore did not vouch for.



Montavilla47:
<SNIP
I'm trying to think about another subject that Harry was unwilling to
learn, but I can't think of one. The closest I can come to one is when
Dumbledore assigns Harry the "homework" of getting Slughorn's
memory. And it's not that Harry is unwilling, it's that it's more
difficult than Harry anticipated.trying to think about another subject 
that Harry was unwilling to
learn, but I can't think of one. The closest I can come to one is when
Dumbledore assigns Harry the "homework" of getting Slughorn's
memory. And it's not that Harry is unwilling, it's that it's more
difficult than Harry anticipated. <SNIP>

Alla:

I think this is sort of proves the point that good teacher can make 
Harry do something he is really not enthusiastic of doing. Harry fails, 
he comes up to Dumbledore, tells him he had all those problems and 
Dumbledore makes him willing to go try again with several sentences. 
IMO of course.

jkoney:
I think Alla was referring to Harry's mental state towards Snape. Not
all of the other things going on in his life. <SNIP of the whole post>

Alla:

Yes of course.


JMO,

Alla