First lesson WAS: Re: Marietta, was Slytherin's Reputation

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No: HPFGUIDX 185834

Magpie:
> I honestly think that the big issue in the first Snape/Harry scene 
> is that Snape really does hate Harry and that comes through loud 
> and clear to Harry. It's not, imo, just that Snape chooses to ask 
> Harry a question and put him on the spot, or even snarks at him for 
> being a celebrity. 
<snip>
> But Snape is incapable of randomly choosing Harry for this because 
> he loathes him. <snip> What it always comes down to to me is that 
> it's not even like Harry ends that first class, iirc, by saying he 
> hates Snape. It's that he's shocked by feeling like Snape hates 
> *him*. And he's correct. <snip> The hatred comes from the feeling 
> that Snape has something against him personally, and the more he 
> learns about why Snape hates him personally the more he hates 
> Snape. 


SSSusan:
Yes, yes, a thousand times yes!  Thank you for stating what is the 
key to this scene for me.  Many individuals have been looking at the 
words and saying, "What's the big deal?"  This is just a teacher 
establishing the way his class is going to run, or, This is just a 
teacher doing what he probably always does and making an example of 
one kid.  What is being ignored in looking just at words, though, is 
the HATRED that Harry is seeing, feeling and sensing from Snape. And 
keep in mind that this follows quite shortly after having sensed the 
same loathing from Snape in the first moment Harry laid eyes on him.  
They have *no* history (that Harry knows of), and yet this guy seems 
to seriously hate him!  

As to Harry's being arrogant, a point made in a different post by 
Pippin, I just don't see where that comes from.  At age 11, in first 
year, Harry is arrogant?  And he's been arrogant in ways that Snape 
*witnessed* or would have heard about?  Or is the allegation just 
that Harry is arrogant and Snape guessed right about it, so that's 
okay then?  

Nah, I'm with Alla on this.  When a kid comes into your class the 
first day of his first year and you have never met him, never spoken 
with him, have no history with him *and there's no one else there who 
would have known him well enough to declare that he is arrogant,* why 
in the world would you go ahead & treat him as though you know it for 
a fact and he needs to be brought down a notch?  As a teacher, you 
might wonder, you might suspect, but to go ahead & assume and act on 
it?  Pretty ridiculous, imo.  

I would have been much more likely to accept the argument that it's 
possible this grilling of one student is a routine part of Snape's 
1st day with "dunderhead" 1st years.  One could easily envision that, 
I think.  Yet, getting back to Magpie's point, what makes it 
different and unacceptable to me is that Snape *does* hate Harry, and 
Harry, while not understanding it, can sense it.  That's just plain 
wrong.

Siriusly Snapey Susan