Snape's Psychology: WAS: More thoughts on the Elder Wand subplot - Owner?

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Montavilla47:
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I beg to differ.

We see that Snape doesn't care much for his father (when he's ten), not that
Snape desires or contemplates any sort of vengeance towards his father.

We see Snape (in a moment of heightened emotion), accidentally harm
a muggle, Petunia. He is described as scared and ashamed immediately
afterward, denying that he even did it at all, let alone intentionally. I don't
see any evidence of vengeance there. If he is acting in vengeance, his reaction
shows no satisfaction.

Alla:

I do not see any evidence of vengeance either in his demeanor here. What I do see however is the early evidence that Snape belongs right there with Slytherins. I do not see evidence of vengeance, what I do see however is the evidence of sneakiness. I think we established that Snape is a good actor (except where James and Harry are concerned), so sure IMO of course he would play being all ashamed of himself, etc. Why? I speculate to make an impression of Lily. I also think that he is already jealous of Petunia and this is what caused this accident too. He may not show satisfaction on his face, but I think it is very likely that in his heart he was very satisfied.

Petunia after all his rival for being Lily's playmate, etc. I do not like Petunia, never did for her behavior to Harry, but I do see her as victim here.

Montavilla47:
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I don't see that Snape hates muggles. He hates Petunia, but then, so does
everyone except Lily. <SNIP>

Alla:

There is also his hesitation to Lily's question and of course him joining DE. We do not know of course the exact reasons why he joined, but I think that it is not a huge leap of logic at all that he joined because he just may have liked the ideas of the organization that he was joining a lot.


Montavilla47:
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Where does Snape ever show hatred for muggles? Except for that moment of
heightened emotion, where he calls Lily a mudblood, the only thing he does is
condone his friends teasing a muggle-born girl. <SNIP>

Alla:

Only if "mudblood" is considered teasing, but I get the impression that it considered to be much more than teasing and as I am sure I said before that I think that under stress person often shows his true colors and a lot of bad things that person has control over when he is calm may come out to the general public. IMO of course.

Montavilla47:
Right, but there's no indication--ever--that Snape saw this as an
opportunity to rid himself of his rivals for Lily. Dumbledore's contempt is
based on Snape's indifference towards James and Harry, not any hidden or
blatant desire on Snape's part to free up Lily for himself.

Alla:

I know we had been through this, but I think that the fact that he does not care for their lives indicates in itself that he may have wanted Lily for himself, no reminder from Dumbledore needed.

And here is a question I wanted to ask when we discussed it last time, but I do not believe I did. People are sure that Snape did not talk to Lily after that scene and before her death and in fact never saw her. Where does it say so in canon? For all I know Snape stood under her windows for hours and hours, watching her, etc and wishing that he could have had her and wishing for James to die asap, etc.

Where does it say in canon that Snape never saw Lily after they had that apology scene?


JMO,

Alla