[HPforGrownups] Re: Snape and Lucius was James and Intent And Snape

[Marion Ros]

No: HPFGUIDX 187077

> Kate:
>> Off topic, slightly, I can never understand why, in the era the HP books
>> are set that anyone sees Lucius Malfoy as a willing Death Eater.  He's
>> the last one to arrive at Voldemort's 're-birth', Voldemort clearly does
>> not like or trust him, and therefore uses him above others to further
>> intimidate him, but unlike Regulus who can commit suicide to prove he
>> came over to the light, Lucius has a wife and son he clearly adores, and
>> does not want to lose them.  Talk about, between a rock and a hard
>> place.
>
>
> Potioncat:
> Yes, but the world isn't divided into good people and DEs. If Lucius had
> quit following LV he wouldn't have become a good person, and certainly
> wouldn't have joined DD.
>
> Whatever Lucius believed during the first reign of the Dark Lord, he
> doesn't seem at all happy to have the old man back. If you ask me, Lucius
> had become the new Biggest Bully and he didn't like having to give up his
> position. Especially since his new position wasn't too secure and kept
> slipping lower.
>
> So I think he would have been very happy to be the Big Boss of the DEs, it
> was LV he didn't care for.
>


Marion:

Interesting, you seem to think that the only 'good people' in the WW are
Dumbledore supporters. Well, that's your opinion, but I for one would
think twice or even thrice before alliancing myself to some Glorious
Leader, who uses people like they are loaves of bread, who loves Power,
but is so afraid of actually using it that he refuses to act directly,
preferring to keeping information that might help others for himself and
reaping power and admiration for being so 'mighty'.
In fact, I would hesitate to align myself with ANY 'Glorious Leader' with
a personality cult fetish.

Lucius Malfoy calls Dumbledore a fool who ruined Hogwarts, and I happen to
think he was right. Dumbledore was a dreadful headmaster. During his reign
of Hogwarts several students died (Myrtle, Cedric), all of which could've
been prevented if only Dumbledore had seen fit to share information (and
isn't it amazing that during Snape's year as Headmaster, a year where
actual DE's run riot through Hogwarts, not one student actually got hurt?)
Dumbledore employed dreadful, ineffective, dangereous teachers (a ghost
for History, Quirrell, Barty Crouch, Hagrid, Trelawny.. the list goes on
and on). We know why Dumbles is such a dreadful Headmaster: he just
doesn't care about the children being taught anything. He uses Hogwarts as
his personal headquarters, where he can influence gullibe childeren to
think that he knows best and indoctrinate them into his personal belief,
the belief that Ambition is the greatest evil evah.

I very much doubt that Slytherin was stamped 'House of Evil' before
Dumbledore got his bum on the headmaster chair, but as soon as he is in
power, things subtly change, until it's become normal to think that if
it's Slytherin, their motives must be Evil.

Even the people on this list have fallen into this trap. It never ceases
to amaze me how people on this list can 'doublethink' into believing that
a character that we see to hesitate to harm children (in the Ministry
raid), to want to get rid of Dumbledore as Headmaster (and for very good
reasons) and to protect their family and loved ones whilst at the same
time thwarting the Dark Lord, that this character is somehow an evil bully
who wants to take over the world, whilst at the sametime doublethinking
themselves into the firm belief that a schoolyard bully who with his group
of cronies regularly hexes those he doesn't like (giant slugs, anyone),
who hexes helpless squibs in the back (Langlock? Filch?) and who is proud
of the fact that he can actually summon the evil and wish to torture to
Crucio, to think that this is a 'good person'.

Dumbledore and Voldemort are two sides of the same coin, if you ask me.
'The enemy of my enemy must be my friend', that was probably what Lucius
and Snape were thinking when they joined Voldemort. Alas, once branded you
have no choice. Neither will you get any help from the Ministry, who was,
at the time, firmly in *Dumbledore's* pocket.
Clever Lucius, for trying to get influence at the Ministry. If you want to
break the powerbase of Dumbledore, start by crumbling his cred at the
Ministry.

And he almost succeeded, if it weren't for those pesky children.