Courtly love in Potterverse WAS: What triggered ancient magic

[jkoney65]

No: HPFGUIDX 187175

--- In HPforGrownups at yahoogroups.com, "Carol" <justcarol67 at ...> wrote:
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>> Pippin:
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> >  Neither had any  first hand knowledge of what it means to be a DE. Even if some of Snape's older friends had already joined up, they wouldn't have been at liberty to tell Snape what it was really like. 
> > It's easy to take an extreme position when what you know has already been distilled to remove any possibility of nuance.
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> Carol:
> Okay. That makes sense. I agree that neither of them really had any idea what DEs were like, Had Severus known, he might have listened to her and understood her objections--or not wanted to join up himself. (we see how deluded Draco is about the "glory" of receiving an assignment from Voldemort. Regulus was also deluded as to how admirable Voldemort was. Most likely, Severus and his friends were similarly deluded, sheltered as they were in the safe haven of Hogwarts.

jkoney:
You don't think they knew enough about the DE's? 

If they knew the DE's existed, that means that the DE's must have already been committing terrorist like acts (killing, burning, etc) and those acts must have been reported as being committed by DE's. Otherwise they never would have heard of them.

If they don't understand, than deluded is probably not a strong enough word.


> Carol:
> As it was, the DE/Order conflict probably looked like nothing more than an extension of the antipathy between Slytherin and Gryffindor that we saw with little James and little Sev on the Hogwarts Express and in SWM and see again in Harry's time at Hogwarts.
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> If that's correct, it makes sense that he thought he might earn Lily's respect and admiration by becoming a DE and showing her how powerful and exciting they "really" were. She, OTOH, would have hated them even more had she known what they were really like.
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> If, however, he listened and understood that she hated the DEs (and both of them really knew what they were), it would be absurd to think that she'd admire him for becoming one.
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> Anyway, I don't see much connection between the very human and unforgiving Lily that we see after SWM and the Lily represented by Snape's Patronus. 

jkoney:
Why should Lilly be unforgiving? She had held out hope that Snape wasn't truly like his friends only to find out that he considered her a mudblood just like all the rest. At that point an apology is meaningless. Snape's thought process has been shown. Not only does he say that about others, he says it about her. Someone she thought was her best friend doesn't believe she should exist in the magical world. I believe that Lilly's delusion of Snape ended right there.

He on the other hand realized this. That's why his patronus showed the best of her. He knew she was right all along.