Secrets (Long) OLD POST REPOST

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Montavilla47:
But the thing is, Alla, we KNOW that Dumbledore is hiding the truth
because we see Dumbledore promise Snape that he will do just that.
What Snape doesn't know when he demands that promise is that
Dumbledore will hide the truth by telling Harry something that Snape
considers humiliating. <SNIP>

Alla:

Yes, we know that Dumbledore is hiding the truth from Harry that Snape loved his mother. We also never in the books as far I can remember at least hear Dumbledore say direct lie – lie by omissions a plenty of course, but never something that did not happen. So I do not see how what Dumbledore says about James and Snape is proven to be a lie, you know?

Montavilla47:
<SNIP>
Snape, by throwing in James here, is no more showing a grudge
against James than Harry did when he threw James into Snape's
face back in PoA.

Alla:

I am confused. Snape talking about James in PoA is not showing a grudge, but Harry is showing grudge when he is talking about James? Against whom? Against James? 

Montavilla 47:

Snape has no reason to need any grudge against James to fuel
his rage at this moment. He's got all the ammunition he needs,
including his anger at Harry. Who is right there and not dead.


Alla:

You are right, Snape has a lot of reasons to be angry in this scene, however the reasons he **says** that he is angry about are :
a)	Harry is using his spells against him;
b)	 His filfy father was using his spells against him.

There are no other reasons that Snape gives us that he is angry about. So I guess I am asking why you would substitute the reasons that he gives for other reasons .
I mean, sure Snape has no NEED to feel a rage against James, but he says that he does and well, it is good enough for me.

I mean, maybe I am concentrating too much on one quote, but I am really not. I mean, I totally get why it is desirable that Snape does not hold grudges, that it makes him nobler person and even though I was always convinced that he does and still convinced, I certainly am willing to entertain the possibility that it was a red herring, if canon is being shoved down my throat. But so far you are just arguing that what characters said do not really mean what they say, no? And you have absolute right to your intepretation of course.

But I just do not see that after DH.  Snape Loved Lily and fought Voldemort – for sure, but where does it say that he did not hate James, I do not know. I think this quote showed that really it was not a misdirection, that loved Lily as he did, he was that  person who was willing to spend his life hating a dead man who had a nerve to win Lily and save his life. Again, please show me where does it say that Snape did not hate James when he was alive and when he was dead. 

Montavilla47:
<SNIP>
> I'm not saying that Snape doesn't hold grudges.  He obviously
> held them against Harry--who responded in kind until he 
> realized what Snape's true motivations were.  

Alla:

And I am saying that Snape's grudge against Harry was because he looked like James and was son of Lily.

Montavilla47: 
> But I don't see him holding a grudge against the dead 
> Sirius and the "grudge-holding" against James only comes
> out in relation to Harry--which means that the ninety
> percent of his world that doesn't have to do with 
> Harry is probably free of any James grudging at all.

Alla:

To whom else it supposed to come out? Of course it comes out with relation to Harry, poor kid has a nerve to look like James. We do not know if Snape mentions his grudge to James to outside world, if he has any friends besides DE there, maybe he does? We just do not know IMO.

I think that if you take Snape's ability to hold grudges from him, I really do not think he will be same character, but again my opinion.

JMO,
Alla