Hermione and her parents Redux WAS: Re: Wizarding Top Ten

[justcarol67]

No: HPFGUIDX 188213



--- In HPforGrownups at yahoogroups.com, "dumbledore11214" <dumbledore11214 at ...> wrote:
>
> Kemper:
> >> If my child were to enlist in the US service currently, it would be
> > wrong of me to kidnap him/her and move to beautiful Canada.  It's
> > their choice.
> 
> Alla:
> 
> Sure.
> 
> Kemper: 
> > If I were Hermione's parent and she explained that the info she gave
> > me could jeopardize her life and she asked me to go in for a memory
> > wipe, I would tell her no.  It is her choice for enlisting with Harry,
> > my memories should not be consequenced for her choice.
> 
> Alla:
> 
> Wow. I respect your choice, but this is something I would never be able to understand. What if Hermione was drafted in the army, thus having no choice whatsoever in the matter, would your choice still be the same?
> 
> You would rather keep your memories of the child who will be dead because of your choice than to give them up to keep her alive?
> 
> Do you really think that Hermione had much choice in the matter by the way?
> 
> Oh granted she could not resist Voldemort, this is a choice too, but if she did not want to let evil maniac to take over?
> 
> I mean certainly she made some choice, but I guess to me this is the only choice decent person could made and for that her parents will punish her with increasing chances of her death?
>
Carol responds:
But there's no indication whatever that Hermione will die because her parents didn't have their memories wiped. She wipes their memories so that they'll forget about her and won't grieve if she dies--*not* a reason for wiping a parent's memory that *any* parent would agree to.

As I said before, LV knows everything he needs to know about Harry, including that he has an Invisibility Cloak, that he knows the secret entrances into Hogwarts, that he has a "saving people" complex, that he has/had a wand against which no wand he uses (except possibly the Elder Wand) will work, that he will go to Godric's Hollow, that he uses the name Voldemort and can therefore be found through the Taboo, that he will come to LV to fight him rather than let other people die, and, eventually, that he's destroying Horcruxes.

There's no need to torture the Grangers to find out information about Harry other than his immediate whereabouts early in the story. which is not to say that the DEs wouldn't do it for other reasons, including the simple "pleasure" of Muggle torture with the excuse that their daughter was a "criminal." But no information that they could provide would have made an iota of difference in their finding Harry. All they/LV need for that is the Taboo (of course, they didn't count on Dobby and Aberforth as a deus ex machina) and, later, LV's knowledge that he will show up in the Ravenclaw common room (McGonagall is the deus ex machina here) and that he will come to Voldemort (who doesn't know about the blood connection or that Harry is the master of the Elder Wand). The Grangers could neither help or hinder the process of finding Harry, which has no connection with them at all.

I agree that it's a good idea to get the Grangers--*with their consent*--out of England and out of danger. And Australia is as good a place as any, an English-speaking country out of reach of the DEs.

But I disagree completely and absolutely that their failing to agree to have their memories wiped would in any way have compromised Harry or Hermione. And I also think that her wiping their memories and forcing them to leave England without their consent (if that's what she did) was a violation of their human rights comparable to altering Morfin's and Hokey's memories or Imperiusing Pius Thicknesse to make him a puppet of the DEs.

Carol, who would not blame the Grangers in the least for refusing to have their memories wiped and thinks that Hermione's using magic on her Muggle parents is much worse than the crime that Morfin went to prison for