[HPforGrownups] Re: DD's plan -- Minister of Magic

[Eric Oppen]

No: HPFGUIDX 189146

Quoting k12listmomma <k12listmomma at comcast.net>:

>>> Pippin:
>>> No, it would have been political suicide to announce that in reponse
>>>  to Voldemorts' return he was dismissing the dementors from Azkaban
>>> and  sending envoys to the giants as Dumbledore asked. Dumbledore
>>> acknowledges as much. But those steps would have helped the Ministry
>>>  and the public to defend themselves.
>>>
>>> Imagine if Bella and her cohorts had never escaped.
>
> From: "Eric Oppen" <technomad at intergate.com>
>> Frankly, in Fudge's position, the second I had the slightest inkling
>> that Voldemort had risen, I'd make sure that Bella and her charming
>> friends all had "nasty accidents."  "Shot while attempting to escape"
>> is always a good one.
>
> Shelley now:
> But that's exactly what is wrong with Fudge as Minister- he's unwilling to
> make the REALLY TOUGH decisions. Sacrificing a few Death Eaters so that Lord
> Thingy could not have his talented pool of thugs to regain power would have
> been a wise, sensible and best decision all the way around.


That's precisely why I would do it.  Or, if _killing_ them is  
something I can't or don't want to do, keep in mind that we're talking  
about wizards and witches.  Transfiguring them into something  
harmless, or Obliviating them to the level that Gilderoy Lockhart  
attained, are both do-able.  I'd add "keep them under Imperius while I  
pump them for every last secret the DEs have," but apparently  
prolonged Imperius can be resisted.


  I would have even found a way to openly
> execute the still loyal Death Eaters, to send a message to my community that
> I wasn't going to make the rise again of Lord Thingy an easy one.
>
Do you mean people like Lucius Malfoy?  Problem is, if you go around  
killing people who were "under the Imperius," folks are going to get  
scared of you and start thinking you're no better than Lord V.  Me,  
I'd have given Lucius and the other "Imperiused" types a  
hearing---after dosing them with Veritaserum.  And then acted  
according to whether the story of "Oh, I was Imperiused!" was true or  
not.




> Quoting Brian <brian at rescueddoggies.com>:
>> As used by the most brutal dictators / facists / communists etc.,
>> totally reprehensible, even if it does ocassionally still happen in
>> so-called civilised countries too
>
> It would be totally appropriate to call loyalty to Voldemort a crime, and to
> execute people for that crime. If the laws were still on the books from the
> first war with Voldemort, then they might only need a little bit of tweeking
> from "Azkaban" to "Dementor Kiss of Death". I fully disagree that only
> dictators or butal leaders would use this- Death Eaters are KNOWN KILLERS
> with no mercy shown to the public. We execute people in America for murders
> that are far less brutal than the reign of terror that Voldemort and his
> followers practiced.

This is part of why I can't go along with people who see Snape as a  
misunderstood little woobie.  We don't know what he was doing as a DE,  
but he could easily have committed terrible crimes---and being kept as  
a Potions teacher in Hogwarts somehow doesn't seem appropriate for a  
mass murderer and torturer, if that is what he was.

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