Duane: Harry was Right?

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No: HPFGUIDX 189726

> > Alla:
> > I  think that when Harry has all the  information he is often quite  right about what is happening. 
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> Pippin:
> LOL! It hardly takes brilliance to be right about what is happening when you have all the information. It is the assumptions Harry makes when he doesn't have all the information that we are talking about here. 

Alla:

Maybe you are talking about the assumptions Harry makes when he does not have all the information Pippin, but that's surely not what I was responding to. I was responding to what I felt was very generalized argument about Harry being basically almost always wrong. Wrong about people, things, their behavior, etc. And well, do I even need to bring up the fictional detectives or real life detectives who have all the clues to solve the puzzle staring them in the face and still failing to solve such puzzle. Harry often for the sake of the story cannot see and have those clues, of course it makes the story more interesting at times, but when he does have those clues he gets things right too. Dumbledore supposedly had a whole lot more information about Tommy and his behavior patterns and how many horcruxes he found during his lifetime? And let's not forget how everybody was telling him that Draco Malfoy just was not up to something in HBP.


Pippin: 
> As for recognizing that Snape hates him,  where in canon is there any doubt about it? Even Hagrid can't make much of an argument otherwise. 

Alla:

LOL. I had been a member of this group for  quite some time and correct me if I am wrong, but I think you had been a member even longer than me. I am yet to remember universal agreement about such no-doubt fact and one would think that if it was so clear, more people would have been in agreement. You get no argument for me though, I also think that canon is crystal clear on this point ;) But I give Harry more credit than you do, I think he caught up on it really fast.

Pippin:
But the assumptions Harry makes based on that recognition are all wrong, because Harry didn't  understand for a long time is that hatred is a weak motive for murder. At least in canon, greed, fear and rage are way ahead of it. 

Alla:

IMO I think canon shows that greed, fear and rage often go together with hate, because I do not remember where in canon Voldemort is shown as a loving individual and most of his followers as well. If you are saying that hate alone is a weak motive for murder, if that's what canon shows I think it is very contrived and unrealistic idea. Because IMO hate in real life is very often a motive for murder, but of course again often it goes together with other motives (from what I read and hear on TV of course, did not talk to any murderers as far as I am aware in rl :)). But personally I think that on Snape's example she makes much more limited in scope argument, I think she is saying that his love for Lily was bigger than his hatred for Harry and he managed to not to act on it, that's all. Just my opinion of course.

 
> Alla: 
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>   And when was he wrong about Hagrid?
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> Pippin:
> He was wrong in thinking that Hagrid opened the Chamber of Secrets the first time, an opinion he held between Valentine's Day and his talk with Aragog which took place two weeks after the Easter holidays -- quite a while. 


Alla:

Ah. Sure of course, he was, thanks.