Legilimency without consent WAS: Obviously guilty

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> Nikkalmati
> 
> So DD and Snape are constantly gathering information through legilimency which they never pass on to others or use in any way.


Alla:

Eh yes, this is how Dumbledore works does he not? Prefers to keep it all to himself, deals with it alone as he sees fit, no matter what mess he makes out og it sometimes.


Nikkalmati:
For example, DD knows Harry is hearing voices saying "kill, kill" but decides - what the heck, it doesn't mean anything. 

Alla:

Are you doubting it? How is it more strange than Dumbledore not closing the school actually SEEING that people are being petrified? I do not think he decided it does not mean anything I think he just confirmed to himself that Harry is a Parseltongue and proceeded to sit and watch what Harry will do with it. IMO of course.

Nikkalmati:
Oh, also, years earlier DD knows Tom has let the Basilisk loose and that Hagrid is innocent, but never takes any action. 

Alla:

Well, Dumbledore knew quite a lot about Tommy's activities, did he not?  I do not know if he managed to legilimize him every time, maybe Tom simply did not let him, maybe he was already Occlumenc or run away every time Dumbledore tried. I am not supposing that Dumbledore legilimenced every person he found suspicious, although with Tom is quite likely. I am supposing that performing what Legilimenc does in the books which soon are going to tell us that such activity exists actually means that it was Legilimency.

Oh and about not knowing about performing Legilimency without consent. We do know one person who does it for sure, otherwise Snape would not have need to train as Occlumenc, no? I highly doubt that Voldemort was asking permission from him before legilimising him LOLOL.

And if Voldemort does it, I am hundred percent sure that in those scenes Dumbledore does too.

Nikkalmati:
DD for some reason can't legilimentize Slughorn to get the information he wants about Tom as a student, and Snape just wants Harry to know he has seen the Potions book when he does legilimentize Harry after Secumsempra?

Alla:

When did Dumbledore say that he cannot do it? I think he just wanted to make sure Harry knows how to manipulate people in other words to teach him a lesson. I think Dumbledore could have done it himself IMO of course.


Nikkalmati:
Of course, neither of them can figure out what Draco is doing in HBP despite being so great at stealth legilimency.  

Alla:

Granted I have not reread HBP or DH for a long time, but even now I have a distinct impression that Dumbledore was very aware what Draco was up too and again, you need to look person in the eyes and Draco did not want to see Dumbledore or Snape close so maybe his last minute plans were the only thing they did not know?

Nikkalmati:
Doesn't add up.

Alla:

It adds up perfectly to me, it is exactly what I think Dumbledore's character is and Snape as his faithful servant whatever information he gathered would pass it to him only IMO.