The Nature & Destruction of Horcruxes ( was:... the Forest scene )

[Steve]

No: HPFGUIDX 191193



--- In HPforGrownups at yahoogroups.com, "zanooda2" <zanooda2 at ...> wrote:
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> --- In HPforGrownups at yahoogroups.com, "Steve" <bboyminn@> wrote:
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> > So, simply killing Harry, or as some would say - destroying 
> > him, would not break the bond. Only very unique and 
> > specific spells and magical objects truly have the power 
> > to break the bond. 
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> zanooda:
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> Don't forget that Harry was not a proper Horcrux :-). ..., thus the piece of LV's soul is not bound to Harry the way it should - the way another piece is bound to Nagini. But I agree that we can't be sure how living Horcruxes can be destroyed, due to the lack of information on the subject :-).
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Steve now replies:

Good point, something I knew, but hadn't really considered. In Harry's case, the soul bit is just clinging to him, and clinging with the intention of staying, as it keep the soul bit earth bound. 

But you are right, it has not been properly and full bonded to Harry. 


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> > So, simply Harry's death, or if your prefer destruction, is 
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> > Avada Kadavra is enough? 
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> zanooda:
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> "It has to be something so destructive that the Horcrux can't repair itself" :-). Doesn't it describe death, for a living being :-)?
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Steve now replies:

That's the tricky part, destructive to what? Destructive to the object or to the bond. Destructive enough, that once the bond is broken, it can't automatically re-bond itself? 

Again, none of the objects were truly destroyed. The Ring, Cup, Locket are damaged but generally intact. 

As I said previously, it takes a very special type of magic to undo a Horcrux. The Cup could have been reforged into 20 rings, and the Soul Bond would still be intact, and it would still be an operating Horcrux. Normal fire and heat are not enough to break the Bond. It would have to be a forge fueled by Fiend Fire to have a chance to break that bond, and no one would be foolish enough to fuel a forge with Fiend Fire. 

I speculate that Nagini could have been killed or died of old age, and the Horcrux Bond would not have been broken, because no un-bonding magic had touch her/him/it. So, the Horcrux soul bit would have clung to the dust of the snakes boned for all time. Just as the Horcrux would have remained bonded to the 20 reforged rings. 

So many different complicating things come into play in this scene, it is hard to sort out what means what relative to what. 

- the clinging soul bit
- the Elder Wand
- the Deathly Hallow in general
- Lily's protection in Harry
- Harry's protection in Voldemort
- Harry's willingness to die without defending himself
- and a few I'm probably forgetting

Each of these playing its own part in its own way, in some cases completely separate, and in other cases, overlapping in effect. 

Very complicated. 

Steve/bboyminn