Harry's alleged debt to Dumbledore and Snape WAS: Re: Chapter Discussion

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> > Alla:
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> > Oh also Yahoo!Mort ate my post to you, so let me just say that I do not think it is clear at all that Dumbledore did not want Harry to die. I mean he seems happy that Harry is alive, but I do not see much evidence that it occurred through his help.
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> Pippin:
> The gleam, Alla, the famous gleam of triumph. 

Alla:

Yes,and? Even events that lead to that famous gleam occurred with no help of Dumbledore, to say that this unequivocally means that Dumbledore wanted Harry to live, I do not know about that.


Pippin: 
>  I can see an interpretation of Dumbledore as evil because the reader has different ideas about evil than JKR.  But saying that the text depicts *Harry* as interpreting Dumbledore's actions as evil would mean Harry is depicted as having different ideas about evil than Dumbledore, and where the heck is the canon for that? 


Alla:

I think there is plenty of canon when Harry before Kings Cross disagrees and dislikes Dumbledore's actions, but I most certainly agree with you, Harry after Kings cross as IMO Saintly figure does not think that Dumbledore's actions are evil and forgives him for everything. No argument from me here at all.

Pippin: 
> Harry's moral *character* is superior -- he's less tempted to do  things that he and Dumbledore agree are wrong and it's easier for him to do the things that they both agree are right -- but their  values are just the same, IMO. 

Alla:

I certainly hope that there are values that Harry has that are different from Dumbledore, like I doubt it is in Harry to become a God of WW and wanting to decide people's fate the way Dumbledore did, I hope Harry will be content to be left alone and let people exercise their free will and not manipulate them so mercilessly. But again I definitely agree that there are a lot of values they have in common.