Harry's alleged debt to Dumbledore and Snape WAS: Re: Chapter Discussion

[pippin_999]

No: HPFGUIDX 190856

 
> >   Bart:
> >      Just to get things straight before we go forward, according to your 
> > reading, how did Harry survive Morty's Elder Wand AK?
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> Alla:
> 
> Which one? PreKing's cross or their last duel? But I am only half joking when I say do we have to? I find Elder wand's stuff, what it can and cannot do, who has to overpower whom, etc, to be incredibly convoluted stuff and can't help but quietly wish that it would have never entered the books.
> 
> Or do you mean how Harry being a Horcrux ( sort of a Horcrux anyway) played into it and his connection with Voldemort?
>

Pippin:
Sure, get rid of the Elder Wand, get rid of the horcruxes, give Harry his father's all too legendary dueling skills, and  Harry could survive without allies who are shrewder and more powerful than he is (in some ways) and can't resist taking advantage of it sometimes. 

Give the WW a tradition of shared sacrifice, and maybe they could have banded together effectively -- we were all expecting that, right, because that's what stories like this are supposed to teach? But what if our stories didn't teach that? 

JKR is writing about a culture that didn't develop in that direction, whose traditions are, or have become,  separatist, exclusionary and individualistic to an extreme. Dumbledore pleads for unity and loses his job, the Hat asks for unity and Harry scoffs. With Voldie at the gates  the Slytherins are ousted, and a number of Ravenclaws, Hufflepuffs and Gryffindors do not choose to fight. 

Of Harry's defenders in the Battle of Hogwarts, how many are there only because Dumbledore protected them or their families when no one else would have tried? Hagrid, Lupin, Firenze,  Grawp, Kreacher, even Narcissa Malfoy...would Harry be alive if it wasn't for them? 

Pippin
apologizing if this posts twice -- Yahoomort is acting up