Chapter Discussion: Prisoner of Azkaban Ch 18: Moony, Wormtail, Padfoot and Pron

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.> Julie:
> I actually agree with you. Snape did have all the choice in the world and no one drugged him or forced him to go there. I do think Snape is responsible for his choices. I also think Sirius deliberately set him up. The difference I think between us is what we think each knew. The text to me implies that Snape may have suspected Remus was a werewolf but that he did not expect to be open to attack when he went to the Shrieking Shack. Sirius knew he would be open to direct attack (that Remus was not in any way bound or restrained) and with that knowledge allowed Snape to head straight into likely death. Sirius may not have thought that out, but it's clear James realized that likely result, given that he rushed to the Shack and saved Snape.  


Alla:

 If we both agree that Snape at least suspected that there is a werewolf down there, to me to say that he "did not expect to be open to direct attack" is diminishing Snape's responsibility for his own choices and his mental capacity, you know?

Werewolf is very very dangerous when he is in werewolf's form, right? As far as official speak goes, werewolves were not allowed at Hogwarts, right?

Why would we assume that Snape who suspected that there would be werewolf decide that he would not be opened to direct attack? Is it not more logical and reasonable to assume that when you will face "dark creature", such dark creature will attack you? 

It is the same way as I feel about describing Snape blabbing prophecy to Voldemort as "but Snape did not know what Voldemort will do with it". Um, I hate Snape, but I never thought that he is an imbecile. As I always say, I wonder if he thought that Voldemort will invite Potters for tea and make nice with them, you know?

And same thing here for me. Why would we assume that Snape thought something less reasonable and logical before he went there, especially since we know that he actually *thought* about what was down there, before he went.


And same thing with Sirius "allowed" Snape to go to his likely death. Sirius did not *allow* or *disallow* Snape to do anything in my opinion. Sirius gave Snape's information, which *if and only if* Snape will use it, may lead to his likely death and for that I hold Sirius responsible, absolutely, for that and for forcing Remus to participate in it, which to me was ten times more criminal and irresponsible, because Remus' choice was taken away from him.

 
.> Julie:
> I think Snape wanted to catch the Mauraders at something, thus proving to Lily that he was right about them all along. And to get them expelled for whatever they were up to would have certainly been a nice bonus. 
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> As for what Snape should have taken with him, how about something that would actually kill a werewolf? I'm sure he took his wand but if he had knowledge of spells that would kill a werewolf (are there any, BTW?) then surely we would hear that Snape was trying to use them when James saved him. I can't see James keeping that fact a secret from Sirius (who would certainly have used it against Snape later when Harry brought up the incident). <SNIP>
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Alla:

But we know that that there is a curse that kills, why would Snape want or need anything additional?  Why would we come up with mysterious additional weapon if we know that there is a curse that kills everything alive in Potterverse only to say that Snape did not take anything with him? Are werewolves immune to Avada? I actually do not remember, if so, then your point is taken of course.

JMO,

Alla