Harry Potter in general

[Geoff]

No: HPFGUIDX 190605

--- In HPforGrownups at yahoogroups.com, "bboyminn" <bboyminn at ...> wrote:
> --- In HPforGrownups at yahoogroups.com, "Geoff" <geoffbannister123@> wrote:

> > Geoff:

> > In message 190571, Steve wrote:
 
> > "Notice one thing about all the people who died, they all stood
> > above Harry. They were all people Harry looked up to. The people
> > who remained are all people who looked up to Harry. They stood 
> > as his equals or, from a certain perspective, his subordinates."

> > I'm sorry but I disagree with this conclusion. .... There are 
> > some whom Harry would certainly look on as equals or friends ...

> Steve:
> 
> Yes, but we have to look at the larger context of the discussion and the question. The central question is about Harry and Snape not having their moment of mutual understanding before Snape died.
> 
> So, the discussion is not about every person who ever died ever. It is about the death of key characters, those who had an important and significant relationship with Harry. 

Geoff:
Forgive me Steve, if I sound argumentative but, you have introduced 
contradictory ideas into your post.

You wrote: "Notice one thing about all the people who died... They were 
all people Harry looked up to."

and then you also wrote: "the discussion is not about every person who 
ever died ever."

You can't have both those propositions. You suggestion about "all the people"
was the reason for my post. If you have written "many of the people", I would 
have accepted that.

Harry made many connections to the people around him: friends, enemies, 
equals, those he held as guides or role models, those who looked up to him 
whether he wanted it or not. I agree with your comment about the absence or 
otherwise of Colin Creevey; I included him to make a reasonable list of those 
whom Harry did not necessarily look up to.

Some of those I mentioned whom you dismissed as not being looked up to 
came in my list. Just to take the two I named (other than CC). Cedric was not 
really a friend but he was a competitor and provided opportunities for Harry 
to hone his skills and also demonstrate his fairness and generosity - although 
Voldemort caused the latter to backfire on him.

Fred and George had provided support, they had been teammates with him 
at Quidditch and he had helped them financially.

Therefore these folk all meant something to him without him falling at their feet.