Harry Potter in general - Snape/Harry & All the People

[Steve]

No: HPFGUIDX 190611



--- In HPforGrownups at yahoogroups.com, "Geoff" <geoffbannister123 at ...> wrote:
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> --- In HPforGrownups at yahoogroups.com, "bboyminn" <bboyminn@> wrote:
> > --- In HPforGrownups at yahoogroups.com, "Geoff" <geoffbannister123@> wrote:
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> > > Geoff:
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> > > In message 190571, Steve wrote:
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> > > "Notice one thing about all the people who died, they all stood
> > > above Harry. They were all people Harry looked up to. The people
> > > who remained are all people who looked up to Harry. They stood 
> > > as his equals or, from a certain perspective, his subordinates."
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> > > I'm sorry but I disagree with this conclusion. .... There are 
> > > some whom Harry would certainly look on as equals or friends ...
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> > Steve:
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> > Yes, but we have to look at the larger context of the discussion and the question. The central question is about Harry and Snape not having their moment of mutual understanding before Snape died.
> > 
> > So, the discussion is not about every person who ever died ever. It is about the death of key characters, those who had an important and significant relationship with Harry. 
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> Geoff:
> Forgive me Steve, if I sound argumentative but, you have 
> introduced contradictory ideas into your post.
> 
> You wrote: "Notice one thing about all the people who died... 
> They were all people Harry looked up to."
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> and then you also wrote: "the discussion is not about every 
> person who ever died ever." ...
> 

Steve:

If I had made those comments as cold general comments, then I would agree with you, but I did not.

I made the comments to lend perspective to the question of why Snape had to die before he and Harry has their moment of mutual understanding. And the reason is that JKR needed to remove all the people who stood above Harry. 

JKR said as much as this when she explained why she killed off Dumbledore. She wanted to remove Harry's support system, and all the 'heroes' who might come riding to his rescue. 

Harry didn't exactly look up to Snape, but he certainly respected that fact that Snape was a gifted wizard, and talented spell caster, as well as a brilliant potions master. You don't have to like someone to respect their skill. If Harry could have seen Snape as an ally, he would have seen Snape as an extremely powerful ally, and someone to turn to in the heat of battle. 

JKR could not allow Harry to have a resource like that hanging loose when it came to the final battle. All the stronger people that Harry could potentially turn to had to be gone, either dead, or unavailable. 

I would say that people like Arthur, Molly, Fred, George, Hagrid, and others do not fall into the catagory as I presented it, and in the context of the Snape/Harry discussion. Yes, Harry certainly liked them, but in the final battle they all looked to Harry for direction. 

Fred is the most difficult person to analyze or categorize of all those who died. On one hand, Harry looked up to him, he was older, he was brilliant his own way, and he and George were becoming very successful. So, he did look up to them, but o the other hand, he considered them friends. But, in the context of Snape/Harry, Fred was not going to come to the rescue of Harry. And in the final battle, both Fred and George turned to Harry for instructions. 

In general, my use of the phrase "all the people" would have been a mistake, but I think the context of Snape/Harry, and their lack of resolution, limits the scope of what was meant by "all the people". 

Still, this is a very small point to pick at. I can see your point, I just hope you can see mine in the context of the specific thing that was being discussed. 

Steve/bboyminn