Cedric, Snape and carma was re: Chapter Discussion: Prisoner of Azkaban

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> > Alla:
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> > Yep and I lost count how many times I said the very same thing in this thread :-) I am objecting to Snape not being responsible at all, because he was you know, forced to go there by Sirius' manipulations, even if Sirius did not tag him along on the chain, or told him that there was Lily there, or staff like that. My god I was worried that this fanfiction thingies will come true.
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> Pippin:
> I didn't say  that Sirius's manipulation forced Snape to go there. The term  "manipulation"  as I'm using it refers to a style of communication.  It doesn't imply that the communication succeeds in  getting the victim to do what the manipulative person wants, so it doesn't matter whether the victim already wanted to do as the manipulator intends. <SNIP>


Alla:

Oooo, I am snipping the whole post in order to just ask for clarification. I definitely agree that Sirius acted with intent to get Snape in trouble, no matter what kind of trouble different people would think of. As long as you are using manipulation to mean that and not that Sirius did specific thing, which guaranteed success of that manipulation I have no problem with that. In other words, no matter how manipulative he acted, without Snape doing his part he would have no chance of success. Thats my position and of course because of that I disagree that Snape was a *victim*. I have no problem calling Snape  *intended victim* though lol, but victim to me again has no choice in what is happening. Snape may have been a victim of said manipulation in Sirius' mind, but he still have had a choice not to be one.