Chapter Discussion: Prisoner of Azkaban Ch 19: The Servant of Lord Voldemort

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> Potioncat:
> I don't think canon supports this. Young Severus always treated Lily withrespect, Teen Sev's worst memory is calling her a Mudblood (and losiing her). He seems to have honored her wish to end their friendship---nothing in canon
> suggests he bothered her in any way. He didn't seem to be stalking her as a young adult, and probably ddn't know she was in the Order.
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> I think her really wanted her to live for no purpose but to live.
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> I can't begin to explain why he didn't include her family when he spoke to DD, but he certainly couldn't ask for their lives with LV.

Alla:

Of course it is only speculation  based on his plea to Voldemort, I agree that there are no canon facts to support it. But I do not agree that he always treated her with respect, up till he called her that horrible word I would agree that he did, but that to me showed that he may have loved her but thought of her as 'lower species" so to speak than himself. Even when they met and she asked him to explain about muggleborns, I thought that was already a sign of problems to come.

I do agree that he could not have asked for her family from LV, however taken together with him not asking for her family from Dumbledore to me suggests that this was his true wish and he truly did not give a damn about whether Harry and James would live. To me him not asking to save them from Dumbledore is a canon fact, so is it really a long way to go from this fact that he would have wanted Lily for himself?

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> > Alla:
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> > Oh and before you guys point it out, of course Snape putting Lily under
> Imperio and enjoying her in bed is a speculation, but it is based on
> Voldemort's words. Who is of course so often a liar, but hey there are instances
> in canon that he does speak the truth, so why cant this one be the one? :)
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> Potioncat:
> I'm sure you wouldn't have to go far to find this plot in a fanfic.
>  :-)

Alla:

Heee, absolutely. Again, I am not claiming that this is a fact, but to me this canon based speculation is stronger than many we have seen over the years. Fact - Snape did not care that Harry and James live or die. That would be given Snape benefit of the doubt, but the same fact (him not asking Dumbledore for their lives till Dumbledore expresses disgust and not willingness real or imaginery to save Lily) could be translated as him wanting them to die, right?

Fact - he loved Lily. So taken together, again, is it so outlandish that he wanted them dead and Lily as his mistress?