Occlumency

[Steve]

No: HPFGUIDX 191749

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> > > Ah I see, thanks. In my view, Snape simply stopped doing it. But anyway I was looking at the Lexicon, and I think I found Voldemort using Legilimency on unsuspecting Harry,...
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> > I looked at that passage again.  ...  I would point out that LV suggests Quirrel use the boy to get the Stone and when Harry says he has won the Quiddich cup, LV says "he lies, he lies".  All that was before Quirrel unwraps his turbin, ...
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> > I agree with Andy that LV performed Legilemancy on Gregorivich, but probably GG knew what LV was doing and what he was seeing.
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> See, in my view, there is no possible way this could be Legilimancy. LV is wrapped up in Quirrell's turban and in the back of Quirrell's head - how could he possibly look Harry in the eye ... One of those kind of gifts - I know others (my husband among them) that have this ability. And in my husband's case, I can guarantee that he doesn't know how to Legilimance anyone!
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> So, my vote is, no possible way this is Legilimancy.
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Steve:

There was a TV show on not too long ago that was about primarily one man, though he had a gifted team working with him, who could read body language and vocal tones to an extremely high degree. He could tell when some one was lying or being evasive to a far greater degree than anyone else. I think he worked as something of an FBI profiler, of sorts. Though I don't remember, I think the series might have been called "Lie to Me".

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1235099/

As to Voldemort in this particular scene, I suspect simply on the inflection and tone of Harry's voice, Voldemort could have easily determined he was lying. Further, common logic would tell anyone that in a situation like that that a kid would surely try to bluff his way out of it. 

Talk to teachers and parents who have to deal with lying kids. It is not that hard to tell. Kids are emotionally immature, and are not as able to read facial expressions as adults are. Hence, reasonably they are also not able to hide those telling facial expressions and vocal inflections. 

Then there is the intuitive aspect. While Voldemort is the most gifted Legilimens, he must willfully break into someone's mind. But on a lower level, someone with this powerful a gift, is also very likely to have a strong intuitive sense that does not require him to specifically break into people's minds. 

That is, he can tell when people are lying without having to break into their minds, and directly and specifically use some form or degree of Legilemeny. 

I think people are looking at this too much as Black and White, when it reality, especially as far as Voldemort is concerned, it is really a wide spectrum of shades of gray. It think this gift can range from the obvious to the intuitive to the willful. 

Steve/bboyminn