Chapter Discussion: Chapter Sixteen, Goblet of Fire: The Goblet of Fire

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No: HPFGUIDX 192267



--- In HPforGrownups at yahoogroups.com, "willsonteam" <willsonkmom at ...> wrote:
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> > > (b) Again, when you first read this chapter, what were your feelings
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> > Alla:
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> > I KNOW this is influenced by subsequent readings, but to me now it is a silly plot device designed to keep Harry in the competition and I still do not buy that Dumbledore could not break it.
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> Potioncat:
> First, I have to say that I've responded to this post at least 3 times. And every time I end it with comments about JKR's new book (TBTMNBN) and each time something odd has happened and the post has vanished. So, OK I get it. List Elves has got powerful magic.


Alla:

Shhhhhh. I am going to let you in on a little secret. Do you know who else got the powerful magic besides us List Elves? :-)

That would be Mighty Yahoomort. His Highness was supposed to have problems with email delivery to yahoo groups today according to announcement (that probably means difficulties will continue for couple more days knowing how fast they are usually fixed)


Potioncat: 
> So, what I wanted to say is that I don't think this binding contact is just a plot device, because it is consistent with the magic throughout the series.
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> Look at the contract between House Elves and Wizards. House Elves have their own powerful magic, yet they are absolutely oppressed by wizards. All it takes to break that bond, that contract, is for the wizard to give clothing to the Elf. It doesn't have to be intentional and the House Elf doesn't have to want the freedom. The accidental presenting of clothing to a House Elf frees that elf. The accidental accepting of clothing frees that elf. (Malfoy unintentionally handing a sock to Dobby; House Elves avoiding Gryffindor House so they won't pick up Hermione's hats.)
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> We also have the pledge for Dumbledore's Army and the blood magic for Harry. Both have unspoken and narrowly defined consequences.


Alla:

I did not mean to say that magical contract which Harry allegedly entered into was the only instance when magical contracts happen in the series. I just felt it was tackled on, you know? Why wasn't it mentioned before (once you there, you done). I may not remember and it was mentioned before students enteres. I just thought it either was another one of Dumbledore's complete lies, or lies by omission. As you said, even House elf can be freed, intentional or not there has to be some sort of counteraction IMO :) and nothing here?

It is just hard to imagine for me that for centuries and centuries students did not know that once they got in they are in forever (as participants I mean).

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> Potioncat, who read TBTMNBN and would love to discuss it. Let me know if you are interested and we can go to OT.
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