Redeeming Hagrid was Rewriting OotP
pippin_999
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Mon Sep 22 19:26:06 UTC 2003
Heidi:
I am *sure* that Dumbledore had previously given Hagrid
instructions on where to travel (i.e. a map) if he did return with
any giants, and I'm also quite sure that Madame Maxime
assisted Hagrid in getting his trip back started, as shown here
in Chapter 30:
>
> 'Did Madame Maxime want to bring him back?' asked Harry.
>
> 'She - well, she could see it was right importan' ter me,' said
> Hagrid, twisting his enormous hands. 'Bu' - bu' she got a bit
tired o' him after a while, I must admit
so we split up on the
journey home
she promised not ter tell anyone, though
"
Pippin:
But Dumbledore would have wondered why Hagrid was
delayed, particularly if Madame Maxime kept her promise and
told Dumbledore that no giants had agreed to come back with
them. Dumbledore would have investigated, if only to assure
himself that Hagrid hadn't been taken by Dementors and
tossed into some foreign equivalent of Azkaban.
Also if Dumbledore made arrangements for Hagrid to bring
giants back with him, he must have given thought to where the
Giants were going to stay. This would neatly explain why Harry
doesn't have to concern himself with Grawp's feeding (canon)
and sanitary arrangements (assumed) even though he is
penned...Dumbledore's magic has taken care of it all.
Pippin:
> > I'm sure that Dumbledore and McGonagall knew all about
Grawp
Heidi:
> IMO, Minerva didn't know anything about it - if she had, or at
least if Hagrid had thought she had, he would've gone to her to
ask for help, rather than to Harry and Hermione (and Ron in
absentia). <
It's got to be obvious even to Hagrid that Umbridge is looking for
excuses to sack everyone who's too close to Dumbledore. You
also wouldn't need to be a seer to figure out that McGonagall and
Umbridge are going to lock wands sooner or later. "Only one
queen in a hive," as Terry Pratchett puts it. And I can see
McGonagall, who certainly seems to be very protective of Hagrid,
warning him that if he's not going without a fight, he's not going
to fight alone. Harry's a safer choice: Umbridge *doesn't* want to
expel Harry once she's got rid of Dumbledore...she wants the
boy under her control, not his.
Of course, Hagrid can't have expected to Harry to stay at
Hogwarts for the summer either, so he must have made further
arrangements we don't know about. Hagrid probably figured he'd
be able to sneak back onto the grounds once term was over and
Umbridge left.
Heidi:
And
> while I think that once Hagrid returned Dumbledore may've
known about it because of Hagrid's injuries, he knew about it in
the way that he's demonstrated knowing things about Harry from
time to time - and not getting in the way of what the person is
trying to do. <
Exactly! So when Firenze tells Dumbledore that Hagrid's got to
be told to stop, Dumbledore either pretends he doesn't know
what Firenze is talking about, or flat out refuses to interfere.
When Dumbledore trusts you, he doesn't get in the way of what
you're trying to do.
Pippin said:
In choosing Harry to provide for Grawp, Hagrid put Harry into a
position very similar to the one Petunia found herself in when
Harry showed up on her doorstep. Which, I think, is *the* reason
JKR put Grawp in the forest and is one of the most significant
developments in OOP.
Heidi:
> Oh, I just think she put him there because she'll need him,
somehow, in a later book - and am I the only one who thought
Hermione was leading Umbridge to Grawp when they went into
the forrest a few chapters later? I was thinking a very
Sondheim-esque fairy tale combination involving feeding the
wicked witch to the giant.<
JKR obviously had a darker theme in mind...offering a virgin
sacrifice to the monsters. Hermione's hubris, which I expected to
bite her when she kidnapped Rita, finally took its toll here. Of
course it's Grawp who helped her escape a fate worse than
death.
The leaves and twigs which seem to be permanently attached to
Umbridge's hair when she comes out of the forest suggest that
something really strange happened in there.
Am I the only one who sees a parallel between Petunia's choice
to assume responsibility for Harry and Harry's choice to assume
responsibility for Grawp?
--------
"She may have taken you grudgingly, furiously, unwillingly,
bitterly, yet still she took you, and in doing so, she sealed the
charm..."
"I explained what I had done in the letter I had left...She knows
that allowing you houseroom..."
"I suspected that she might need reminding of the pact she
sealed by taking you...the dementor attack might have awoken
her to the dangers of having you for a surrogate son. "
----
"Harry could not think of a single thing to say. What was going to
happen when somebody found out Hagrid had hidden Grawp in
the Forest? And he had promised that he, Ron, and Hermione
would continue Hagrid's totally pointless attempts to civilize the
giant...How could Hagrid, even with his immense capacity to
delude himself that fanged monsters were lovably harmless,
fool himself that Grawp would ever be fit to mix with humans?"
---
Change the nouns, and that could be Petunia, having second
thoughts about her pact with Dumbledore.
Pippin
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