Stupid question about Horscrux!Harry

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Eloise wrote:
> May I ask a really stupid question?
> 
> The theory that Harry is a Horscrux seems to have widespread 
support 
> and I can see its logic. What I don't understand is why, if 
Voldemort 
> was unable to possess Harry,
> 
> "because he could not abide to reside in a body so full of the 
force he 
> detests"
> 
> a part of his soul is able to survive in him.
> 
> I suppose that if that part of his soul is totally divorced from 
him, 
> it may be that he is immune from the effects of that detested 
force, 
> however, it still seems thematically odd to me that it is possible.
> 

Neri:
Aside of any metaphysical/thematical considerations, we have *canon* 
that at GH, some of Voldemort's powers did enter baby Harry's mind, 
despite the love protection. Dumbledore believed that this was 
unintentional of Voldy. It also looks as if there were some memories 
passing too, because in CoS Harry thinks that the name T.M. Riddle 
sounds like someone he knew a long time ago. So the question is not 
if some piece of Voldy went into Harry. This is canon. The question 
is only if this piece can be a considered part of Voldy's soul.

Dumbledore also said in HBP that the seventh part of Voldy, that is 
now in his new body, is the one that contains his self. This sounds 
like the other parts (perhaps except for the Diary) don't include a 
self. It seems to me that memories and powers would qualify.

The scar is also a thematic evidence that Harry is damaged. His 
mother's protection could not protect him completely, or he wouldn't 
have a scar.


Jen worte:
> I'm not a Harry!Horcrux fan, but it's difficult to pin down exactly 
> why he couldn't be one. In HBP, JKR really brings home the idea 
that 
> Harry has experienced more direct evil in his short life than an 
> entire cadre of junior DE's. He's seen evil, been touched by it, 
> cursed by it, possessed by it......yet he's still pure of heart & 
> never tempted by it. I guess finding out a sliver of Voldemort's 
soul 
> is inside him would be small potatoes compared to everything else, 
> just another example of how he's able to resist evil. Maybe a 
little 
> overkill though? Stretching it a little thin?


Neri:
The point of Harry as a Hx won't necessarily be a challenge for his 
pureness, although I think this is very possible. What would 
certainly be a point is that Harry will have to contemplate the 
ultimate sacrifice in order to kill Voldy. Considering the theme of 
sacrifice in the books, this would be thematic. 

Jen wrote: 
> Another objection is how it could have happened given Lily's 
> sacrifice. Her protection was there before LV cast the AK, and if 
it's 
> as strong as we're led to believe, the cornerstone of Hary's 
> protection, I don't see how an evil soul sliver got through that.
>

Neri:
As I mention above it is canon that a sliver of Voldy found it's way 
into Harry at GH despite the protection. The only question is if this 
sliver is a soul sliver.

Jen wrote:
> I've also heard the term unintentional Horcrux, but don't 
personally 
> believe that's possible. Intention is everything in magic, eh? You 
> need to mean the Unforgiveables and focus your intent to apparate 
and 
> all the rest. Accidental magic happens like hair growing back, but 
an 
> accidental Horcrux? Removing your soul from your body seems like a 
> slightly bigger deal, not the terrain for an accident to happen.
> 

Neri:
We have Dumbledore's opinion that at GH Voldy was still one Hx short, 
and that he most probably intended to use the killing of Harry for 
his last Hx, so half of the required intention is already there. The 
fact that Voldy tried to spare Lily also suggests he wanted to make 
her the Hx. This means he may have intended to perform the full Hx 
magic that night. In fact, perhaps he had already performed it, and 
everything was ready except for the victim and the Hx herself/himself.

While magic is usually intentional, this intention is frequently 
misdirected, and accidents *do* happen. Intentional magic often goes 
wrong, and the most spectacular example we have for that is Voldy's 
AK rebounding and vaporizing himself that very night. It would hardly 
be very surprising if this wasn't the only piece of magic that didn't 
go as planned that night.  

 
Neri