[the_old_crowd] Re: bugger and All things Snape

[silmariel]

Olivier:
> Of course, any combination of them works too. In my opinion, side
> characters in HP are passive (think about what DD actually did in the
> first four books, or what McGonagall is supposed to be doing in the
> Order), and I expect them to be even more so in book 7. So I don't
> expect ESE!Lupin nor GaryStu!Lupin if only for screen time reasons.
>

Now that we have Bill werewolf-tainted, we don't need Lupin to further the 
werewolf crusade. Well, if you read everything in plain reading, DD hasn't 
done a thing in four books. He also didn't say to trust anyone in the Order, 
except Hagrid and Snape. What is doing McGonadall? Not being trusted enough, 
imo, when the first thing she does is try to get info of Harry and get 
rejected. DD's woman should have now the kid had been trained not to talk. 

But I expect someone apparently good turning bad and someone apparently bad 
turnig good, we have enough clues to maintain that bangs a possibilities. All 
the Dobby appearances in CoS are too fishy to buy -I'm with Kneasy here-, and 
that points to the Malfoys playing to sides. As I wouldn't call Snape 
apparently bad or good but playing the middle ground, I look for other 
characters. Just my likings, of course, I theorize.

Pippin:
> > Apart from his passivity
> > and his furry little problem, which in this scenario he will
> > triumphantly overcome, what blemishes does Lupin have?
>

Silmariel goes to the dictionary to see what blemish means.

Olivier:
> Well, in scenario 1) 2) 3) I sketched above, he remains more or less
> the Lupin we know now: gentle and kind, probably quite sharp, but
> undecided, nostalgic and with a tendency to wait rather than act.
> Definitely not perfect (but a good complement to easy-going,
> talkative, clumsy Tonks if I may say so). Likewise, I wouldn't expect
> Hagrid to change much in book 7: endlessly loyal to DD (and Harry),
> practical and emotional, not particularly bright. Definitely not
> perfect either.
>

Being undecided, nostalgic and with a tendency to wait rather than act it's 
something I'd call temperament and not failures per se. They definitely add 
to the way I perceive him as weak, but not on their on. I fear a scenario 
devoid of thinking not acting people and full of let's just act people, so 
I'd say he is part of the diversity.

There's his change in communication when he gets nervous, he makes jokes 
somehow dark, he doesn't look in the eye, but if you want a WYSIWYG fault, he 
considers and so tells Harry that he has failed DD twice, by not telling him 
the animagus thing, wich in PoA meant not telling him he *knew* how that 
dangerous criminal could have access to Howgarts. That's a considerable 
fault, imo, not tied to 'waiting rather than acting', because it's a 
situation where it's clear what to do. More tied to self-shame, if you see 
him as Good.

Add a third 'I failed you, I ask your forgiveness' in book 7 and you have a 
kind of St. Peter.

Of course, I'd prefer for Harry and kids to learn that a caring, gentle, kind 
person can also compartimentalice as a good occlumens and not let that 
feeling interfere with primary objetives (real life, imo). Nothing personal, 
kid, I really like you, but... that does not matter.

Silmariel, who doesn't know if the reply she sent to Potioncat has reached 
her, because she knows very well MsnMort.