[the_old_crowd] Re: bugger and All things Snape

[Randy Estes]

--- Olivier Fouquet
<olivier.fouquet at ...> wrote:

> Pippin
> > That's just it, Olivier, it may be obvious that
> Snape killed  
> > Dumbledore, but
> > it's not airtight by any means. It's not obvious
> that he *didn't*  
> > do it, of course,
> > but then it wasn't obvious that Scabbers was more
> than a rat, or  
> > that Ginny
> > was a fireball who hadn't given up on Harry.
> 
> I understand your position Pippin, but as I said
> numerous times, I  
> don't theorize, so I see Snape firing an AK at
> Dumbledore, I deduce  
> he finished him with an AK (though I admit that DD
> was dying at that  
> time anyway). Likewise, I see a rat, I think a rat.
> It may be that  
> book 7 will prove that in fact Snape tried to save
> DD using a fake AK  
> and that DD died of poisoning but that will be book
> 7. My point was  
> that Snape (seemingly) killing DD does not strike me
> as surprising  
> considering what we knew about Snape and what we JKR
> kept telling us  
> about him: he is not a nice guy. Even if it turns
> out that actually  
> Snape did not kill DD, I believe my point remains
> valid.
> 
> On the other hand, while I concede it wasn't obvious
> that Ginny was a  
> fireball who hadn't given up on Harry, I would say
> it was by far the  
> most likely outcome. Ginny has been consistently
> depicted as a  
> determined girl and has consistently sent very
> positive signs toward  
> Harry (blushing in GoF, supporting him in OoP...)
> 
> > As for Lupin, I'm afraid that society isn't likely
> to change their  
> > views about
> > werewolves as long as Fenrir speaks for more of
> them than Lupin  
> > does. But
> > if that's where JKR is going, she's put herself in
> a bind by giving  
> > Lupin
> > such an apparently passive role in the last two
> books. If he  
> > doesn't get
> > over his passivity, he'll be unable to lead the
> werewolves, and if  
> > he does,
> > he'll be a complete Gary Stu. So I think
> ESE!Lupin's probably the most
> > interesting thing JKR can do with him.
> 
> Here follows some possible middle-way Lupin
> treatments:
> 
> 1) Lupin plays a small helping role in the grand
> quest Harry will be  
> undertaking in book 7, for instance by managing to
> turn at least a  
> few Werewolves away from Voldemort or by playing a
> role in recruiting  
> some goblins, Harry defeats Voldemort, Lupin weds
> Tonks and though  
> once in a while he has to lock himself in a room,
> all ends well for him.
> 
> 2) Voldemort triumphs through and through while
> Harry hunts the  
> Horcruxes. About the end of the book, there are DE's
> everywhere in  
> killings spree. Harry, having finally destroyed
> enough Horcruxes,  
> bravely attacks LV's lair, faces Fenrir, is about to
> be killed, is  
> saved by a transformed Lupin, Fenrir and Lupin kill
> each other.
> 
> 3) Harry discover a few unexpected things about his
> parents and the  
> Dudleys, has a discussion with Lupin (e.g about how
> Lily and James  
> got together), where he discovers that his mother
> was friendly to  
> Snape. Lupin is mentioned a few more times in the
> background,  
> fighting against LV.
> 
> Of course, any combination of them works too. In my
> opinion, side  
> characters in HP are passive (think about what DD
> actually did in the  
> first four books, or what McGonagall is supposed to
> be doing in the  
> Order), and I expect them to be even more so in book
> 7. So I don't  
> expect ESE!Lupin nor GaryStu!Lupin if only for
> screen time reasons.
> 
> > Apart from his passivity
> > and his furry little problem, which in this
> scenario he will
> > triumphantly overcome, what blemishes does Lupin
> have?
> 
> Well, in scenario 1) 2) 3) I sketched above, he
> remains more or less  
> the Lupin we know now: gentle and kind, probably
> quite sharp, but  
> undecided, nostalgic and with a tendency to wait
> rather than act.  
> Definitely not perfect (but a good complement to
> easy-going,  
> talkative, clumsy Tonks if I may say so). Likewise,
> I wouldn't expect  
> Hagrid to change much in book 7: endlessly loyal to
> DD (and Harry),  
> practical and emotional, not particularly bright.
> Definitely not  
> perfect either.
> 
> Olivier
> 
> PS: By the way, I'm fully on Nora's side in the
> complex/simple  
> discussion about HP.
> 
> 

I agree with these Lupin ideas.  It may be cliche, but
you always have battle scenes where certain characters
fight their counterparts to the death.  Lupin versus
Fenrir seems obvious.  Lupin dying is dramatic and
cleans up the messy life after marriage to Tonks where
Lupin accidently eats the children one night.  It
would be all over the front page of "the Sun" the next
week.  Further line ups for the Wizard Playoffs are
listed below:

Snape must either do battle with Harry or Voldemort or
both.  Snape either saves Harry by killing Voldy or
vice versa or Snape dies trying.  Or Harry kills Snape
in self defense.  McGonagall could kill Peter since
the Cat kills the Rat.  Harry must somehow defeat
Bellatrix.  Perhaps Narcissa kills Bellatrix to redeem
herself (perhaps after Lucius or Draco dies).  Neville
has to finally mature and kill somebody or else be
killed because we cannot leave him half-grown up.  

Maybe Neville has to appear to kill Harry in order to
kill Voldemort.  Then Harry magically pops back to
life using dragon blood or something.  The Super Bowl
of battles must contain Harry versus Voldemort, but
the old switcheroo is one of JKR's favorites.

Let's see... who is left.  Well the Weasley family
could lose a few.  I see Fleur getting into the fight.
 Maybe she kills Bellatrix.  Arthur seems a shoe in
for Minister of Magic to me.  I think Narcissa will
turn out to be good in the end with or without Lucius
and Draco.  

This seems to make sense to me based on all the famous
battles such as the ones in "Lord of the Rings" and
"Narnia" and so on and so on.

Red Eye Randy

PS I know that everyone will ignore all of my comments
like usual and wait for some other post by a more
respected member of the OC.
But I don't care......


	
		
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