Connecting the dots
snow15145
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Tue Mar 29 01:08:40 UTC 2005
Neri:
Aren't you mixing things? It was Dung who was banned from the HH, but
we don't know that he was the eavesdropper.
Snow:
Not really mixing them up just conjoining them. My assumption is that
Dung was the eavesdropper and that was why he was banned from the
pub.
Neri:
DD didn't have any idea that he's going to hear anything important in
the HH, and then he was probably too occupied with Sybil's words to
pay attention to other things. My take is that he found out that there
was an eavesdropper only after the fact. Aberforth caught the
eavesdropper and threw him out, and only later told DD about it, when
the eavesdropper was already long gone. No wonder DD doesn't think
much about his brother's intellect. Alternatively, maybe Aberforth
failed to even tell DD later, and DD only found out that there was an
eavesdropper when Snape supplied him with information about Voldy's
plans.
Snow:
Could very well be a possibility, however Sirius explanation as to
why Dung is in the Order fits nicely with him being the eavesdropper:
"How come he's in the Order?" Harry said very quietly.
"He's useful," Sirius muttered. "Knows all the crookswell, he would,
seeing as he's one himself. But he's also very loyal to Dumbledore,
who helped him out of a tight spot once. It pays to have someone like
Dung around, he hears things we don't." OOP pg 86 U.S.
Dumbledore is not beneath helping someone out of a tight spot
especially when there's a return for his trouble. Dumbledore
persuaded Petunia Dursley, grudgingly and all that, in a little
different way but I think they both got something out of that deal.
Of course we are not privy at the moment as to what Dumbledore did
for Petunia any more than we are to what tight spot Dung was in that
he was helped out of by Dumbledore. Dumbledore is quite gifted with
the power of persuasion with many to do his bidding such as; angry
centaurs who released the toad lady unscathed or a betraying house
elf who needed a bit of nudging to divulge the information about
Sirius. We are never informed how these events took place but that
Dumbledore was involved and the situation defused to the benefit of
Dumbledore's needs. It seems properly fitting that Dumbledore saved
Dung's hide and made use of him and his talents in a more beneficial
way.
We do know that Dumbledore became aware of how much of the prophecy
was overheard and that the perpetrator was caught and thrown from the
building so we may assume that Dumbledore was aware of who the
eavesdropper was as well. I don't think that Dumbledore was aware of
the circumstances that night because the eavesdropper did manage to
get away and inform Voldemort of the small portion of the prophecy
that was overheard but I do believe Dumbledore became aware of who it
was and how much they actually heard. It could have been Snape that
informed Dumbledore as you say or it could have came straight from
the horse's mouth, which may have something to do with that tight
spot that Dumbledore helped out with if Dung was in over his head
with Voldemort. The real key in the quote above is the statement that
Dung hears things we don't.
Then there is also the ironic fact that Dung was dressed as a witch
when he eavesdropped on the first DA meeting in the same
establishment that Dumbledore came to learn of the prophecy:
"Who overheard us?" Harry demanded.
"Mundungus, of course," said Sirius, and when they all looked puzzled
he laughed. "He was the witch under the veil."
"Why was Dung hiding from us?" asked Ron, sounding
disappointed. "We'd've liked to've seen him."
"He was banned from the Hog's Head twenty years ago," said
Sirius, "and that barman's got a long memory." OOP pg. 370 U.S.
Sirius states matter of fact to Harry that it was `Mundungus of
course' as though it could be no one else. Sirius continues that Dung
had been using the invisibility cloak for spying up until the point
that Sturgis was arrested and was now using the witch disguise
instead. It appears that Dung is used often as a listening device,
could be his best attribute.
Just my take on the situation
Snow- a recoving thinker going into relapse all the time
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