Of Hxs and parasites

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Me previously:

Is the Diary the only Horcrux with a memory or is it the 
only one with a memory of Tom? 

Lyn here:

Now that's a most interesting matter to consider. So did TR just come 
up with something 
that had never been done before? I think not or DD would have shown 
greater surprise 
when the nature of the diary was first revealed. No, someone must 
have done it before, 
and DD knew of that, so what are, or have been the prior examples? 
Who did them, and do 
any other examples remain. Now wouldn't it be so very interesting if 
SS had made 
someting similar, or better yet, that each of the founders had done 
something similar. And 
what information might they contain for the present generation of 
wizards? Harry is now 
familiar with the workings of a diary, so will he be prepared to use 
other memory objects 
for his future purposes. 

Snow:

Harry may have already done just that. The Sorting Hat, that has said 
the four founders had put a bit of themselves in him, along with the 
fact that certain objects can materialize via the Hat for the sake of 
Harry's survival. Harry asked for help, and as long as anyone asks 
for help at Hogwarts they will find it, suddenly a sword is on top of 
Harry's head. Harry may have done as you suggested and used a memory 
for his own purpose
unknowingly of course – to Harry. 

This sounds very similar to the memory inside the Diary. The Diary 
was just a book until someone wrote in its pages bringing the memory 
stored inside to the surface. Likewise, the Hat, which was placed on 
Harry's head while Harry was thinking that he needed help, produced 
help from one of the Hat's memories; which was from Gryffindore. 

Slytherin's Chamber could only be opened by his heir, which had a 
natural gift of parceltongue. It sounds like Slytherin left the gift 
of parceltongue in the Chamber to awaken the entrance when used (like 
Ginny awakened the entrance to the Diary), wherein the memory of 
Slytherin waits to be seductive. 

Maybe the Slytherin possession is not to far-fetched when you look at 
the Chamber in the same way as the Diary. The Chamber couldn't be 
opened `til a parcelmouth said the magic word, like the Diary didn't 
respond until Ginny first wrote in its pages. Chamber!Slytherin, like 
Diary!Tom could not be released until the catalyst stoked the fire. 
It would appear that Diary!Tom could not possess Ginny's soul in one 
fell swoop so might it have been for Chamber!Slytherin. 

Sixteen-year-old Tom might not have been inside the Chamber long 
enough to complete the possession effect, which is why Voldemort 
longed to get back inside the castle (can I have a job hear at the 
school sir). (Dumbledore was suspicious of this when he told Harry 
that the castle was a stronghold of magic)

Diary!Tom couldn't have been possessed by Slytherin until Ginny was 
dead and young Tom was fully mortal again, which if it would have 
came to light, would have made him stronger than Harry because Tom 
would have something that Harry didn't at that point, a bit of 
Slytherin. 

Me previously:

Also does the selective death in making a Horcrux cause the Horcrux 
to act in a specific manner if attacked? Would this give credence to 
Sirius accusation that his brother was not important enough to 
directly be killed by Voldemort? Voldemort aimed for specific, 
important individuals to make his Horcruxes didn't he? 

Lyn Again

Yes, it seems very likely to be some link between the deceased and 
the nature of the Hx. I 
agree, it there is reason to believe TR was VERY selective in who he 
killed for the makings 
of a Hx. Was it really that LV could not have killed "the spare" in 
the graveyard, or was it 
that "the spare" was not worthy of being killed. Still, lots of folks 
are killed without a Hx 
being made, indeed that's the standard way of things. So surely TR 
could select which 
murders would be significant enough "rents" in his soul to be worthy 
of Hx formation. Just 
I can't really grow fond of the Hx thing. What if a guy kills a 
thousand people? what if a 
person kills ten thousand? Do we really have a little tear in the 
sole for each and every 
individual death--does their sole look as ragged as a fringed leather 
jacket on David 
Crosby?

Snow:

This has been the whole debate on the road to acceptance. What does 
murder include; is it anyone that dies at your hand; is it anyone 
that dies because you persuaded another to kill; or is it an innocent 
person who is inflicting no harm to you that dies at your hand? 

Some while back on this list, I brought up this point about murder 
and the Horcruxes and whom ever it was that replied totally came up 
with a rebuttal that I quite agreed with (wish I could remember who). 

It was something to the affect that if a person was fighting back it 
wouldn't be murder because both persons are armed, ready for battle, 
and both persons realize the outcome of fighting
but someone who was 
unarmed and was not issuing confrontation was innocent from the 
battle therefore it was murder if they died.

I quite liked it because Voldemort was selective about who he thought 
worthy of killing. The majority of persons, who have been killed at 
the hand of Voldemort himself, are small Pickens. 

It makes more sense when you think about Voldemort asking Lily to 
stand aside, as if she was meaningless, which she was. Harry was his 
designed last death in which to make his final Horcrux but here 
stands a defenseless Lily in the way of his objective, the boy the 
prophecy said had powers, Voldemort couldn't risk it, the boy was too 
close
oops reluctantly kill Lily, soul split. 

I really like it and will stand on this one as a very good 
possibility for the unarmed-murder-equals-soul-infraction. 

Thanks for your thoughts Lyn

Snow