Lupin, mon amour was Re: Page-filler Lupin [the_old_crowd] Re: bugger and All things Snape

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Silmariel:
> In this particular case I can't consider the lack of reliable sources, furbys 
> are wide known for a long period, and being (still) second grade citizens, I 
> assume they have been studied, at least for practical/defense questions, that 
> includes how they transform and when - definitely not the case of phoenix or 
> those so rare three headed serpents. The texbook Snape used should be 
> correct. Hermione doesn't catch anything wrong with the trasformation, but I 
> don't know how good is she thinking on stressed moments, and Lupin gets sure 
> that Snape is not awakened (I think Snape is the only character present that 
> wouldn't disregard details because of the inmediate danger, and knows the 
> subject by heart, instead of only by one direct case). 

Pippin:
Hermione's in the habit of covering up for Lupin, plus she would have had
to have lost track of the time herself. She did that before  when she missed
the Charms class. So she might think he had made an innocent mistake,
as many listies do.  I wouldn't count on the textbook being accurate, though. 
Opportunities for studying werewolves must be rare, and  it's possible to 
come up with a great deal of nonsense when studying a subject in absentia, 
as we should know only too well. Politics plays a part also.  I wouldn't have 
guessed from Fantastic Beasts that there were folks like Fenrir around.  

> 
> > Silmariel:
> > > Now on Pippin's idea that Lupin puppeteered all the Prank, I don't buy it
> > > because it deprives me of the only reason I know for Lupin to betray his
> > > friends in full fashion (give me another one as personal and canon as
> > > that and I'll change my mind).
> > >
> > Pippin:
> > Does your character sheet indicate that Lupin counted the times his
> > friends let him court exposure in Hogsmeade as  the happiest  days in his
> > life?  Lupin did not dread exposure, even the risk of killing,  as much as
> > he dreaded the loss of those outings.
> >
Silmariel:
> Yes, it has everything I know about him, included those 'close calls'. But 
> still, I don't think in every drunken teenage driver as actually eager to 
> kill someone. I see they don't evaluate risks -and they risk killing-, they 
> think they are inmortal and 'everything will be fine, that won't happen to 
> me'. 

Pippin:
But does a kid keep up with the drunken joyriding after he's almost hit
someone and felt guilty about it? Realized they might've died? Lupin
speaks as though he understood much more than his friends that what
they were doing was wrong and dangerous, and a poor way to reward
Dumbledore's trust, but kept it up anyway. It would be like Harry  taking
to heart what Lupin said about honoring his parents' sacrifice, seeing
the truth in it, but  putting it out of his mind because Hogsmeade was 
so tempting. 

Silmariel:
> I don't think it's needed to make a case for betrayal theme. May Lupin be a 
> pre-programed bomb child? I don't see canon for it, mainly for all the space 
> Rowling has devoted only to explain the whys of Voldemort-the-monster, she 
> treats with care childs depicted as rotten and while it is fairly easy to 
> bring the betrayal theme, at this point in the game it would be too out of 
> thin air to fill Lupin as, not ESE in the sense of 'secretly aligned with 
> Voldie' but as Evil Semper Evil. 

Pippin:
But she has established Lupin as a pampered prince, in a way. Yes he has
a horrible disease. But it's kept secret. He's told people will hate him if
they learn the truth, but meanwhile those who know    are overkind to  
compensate. 

His parents try everything, Dumbledore finagles him into Hogwarts, a tree is
planted that is dangerous to other students, villagers are put in dread of
a harmless old house, his friends take up dangerous and forbidden magic
to comfort him.

Everyone covers up and make excuses for him. And then he finally runs 
up against the hard cold reality that there's a limit to what even 
Dumbledore's patronage can do. It's a kick in the teeth.

Silmariel:
> Montague couldn't have dissapeared in other year that OoP -that wasn't a 
> school year, was open warfare within the school- without being noticed and 
> investigated. The problem with my argument is that half the years are not 
> normal, in any way <g>
> 
> Do you really think that with DD as headmaster, Snape could have simply 
> dissapeared? In an active war, maybe, but... that isn't hinted, imo. I know, 
> I can be so naive.

Pippin:
They got away with the Marauder stuff, and I can't see that happening
in a normal school year either. But things weren't normal.
Those were the years of Voldemort's rise. Werewolf
sightings with no casualties probably wouldn't even make the Daily
Prophet. Dumbledore would have been much pre-occupied, away from 
the school just as he is in HBP. If Snape had disappeared, there'd have been 
an investigation, but the question isn't whether Lupin could have gotten 
away with it, but whether he would have thought he could. And he was 
getting away with so much already.

Pippin