Only TWO Die? No, wait...

[Talisman]

--- In the_old_crowd at yahoogroups.com, ewe2 <ewetoo at ...> wrote:
ewe2 wrote:

>Hermione should be left as a focus for fanrage ;)

Talisman:
You are a wicked clever penguin.

And quick with those little flippers too, as I had no sooner popped 
my fuzzy head out of my hidey-hole than I deleted the opening salvo.

Yet, with such charming observations, you coax me out again.
 
Then, David, proving that he's a bona fide member of the evil brain 
trust added:
  
>The final scene will be Hagrid, Grawp, Dobby, and Winky getting
>Hogwarts back on its feet after the apocalypse. Molly Weasley will
>be Minister for Magic.

Talisman: Swifter than cursed opals `gainst  those unauthorized 
sequels, that.  Who would touch it ?  You must write her at once.

Pip!Squeak suggested:
>I think Pippin could tell you that JKR wishes she'd written Emma? 
The
>plot twists are better than P&P.

Talisman:
 Pippin notwithstanding, I think JK did write Emma, after a fashion.

Awhile back, in a dark thicket, I disclosed to a few dazed hostages 
my long standing belief that  "structurally" Rowing's plot twists 
emulate those in Emma.  

For example, here is a brief excerpt from that dreary discourse:

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 In one famous scene, Emma has consented to paint Harriet Smith's
portrait, at the request of Mr. Elton. Emma perceives Mr. Elton's
attentions as deriving from his interest in Harriet. All of the
humor and subtle irony arise from this mistaken impression, as we
find later that Mr. Elton was interested in Emma and that his
interest in the portrait was to share time with / lavish praise on
Emma.

In a later scene, at Mrs. Weston's, Churchill gives a preference to
Emma by asking her to lead in the evenings musical entertainments.
Emma sings a few songs, and then Jane is asked to take a turn.
Here, Emma thinks that she and Churchill are confidants, and that
Jane is merely the recipient of their courtesy.
She also fears that Mr. Knightly has a romantic interest in Jane--
though we know his interest is in Emma.

Both scenes involve romantic dynamics taking place within artistic
activities.
In both cases, the man who Emma thinks is interested in the other
girl, is really interested in her. The difference is, in the first
case, this interest is unwelcome. In the second, it will end in
marriage.

The major contours are the same, the details are reversed. This is
the "mirror symmetry" found in the plotting of the HP series. Only,
where Austin's patterns play out within the course of one book,
Rowling's span the series.

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If this has bored and confused you, just think about the poor souls 
who had to listen to the whole thing.


Phyllis added:
>Based on my reading of the transcript and viewing of the video, I
>saw the 'hate mail' comment as being in response to a question about
>*Harry's* fate specifically. I thought it was a bit of a slip, for
>who is going to send her hate mail if she announces that Harry
>survives? But perhaps this is her way of getting us ready for the
>inevitable. ::Sniff::
 >Snip<
>Frankly, I'd surprised if it's only two, as I expected many more.

Talisman:
Definitely more than two, never fear, as my original, now phantom, 
post recognized.

I agree that Rowlingfs comment regarding ghate mailh regarded 
committing to whether Harry will die.  

As it stands, it is too much of a give away to be real (that is, 
most people would read it as an affirmative).  Unfortunately, I 
don't believe hefll be killed in action (somewhere in the golden 
years of epilogue, sure).  

Nope.  Shefll let the brat live.  That is the point of the story, 
after all.  

But, just for that, Ifm making a note to send her a gHow dare you 
let Harry live!g Howler after Book 7. 


Worse yet, I believe the one who got the reprieve is Ginny.  The 
entrails have long been telling me that that squirt was for the 
block, but now it seems Rowling will let her snog Harry into the 
sunset.  

Two Howlers then. 

Rounding out my pessimism, I expect the The Two (hitherto) 
Unintendeds are the twins.

I think she changed her 1990 scenario a few books ago.  Thus the 
twins have been given their success early and continue to be shown 
as having the balls to mix it up with Voldemort, et al.  

Ifm quite sure she likes the twins, and at one point Ifll bet they 
were going to be allowed to fade away, merrily perfecting the 
reverse whoopee cushion.   

Shefs since recognized that they need to blaze out in swashbuckling 
glory.  A la Book 5, only more so.


Siriusly Snapey Susan queried:
>...she says "A price has to
>be paid. We are dealing with pure evil." Does she means she's 
killing off
>two "bad" people who need punishment (Lucius & Narcissa? Lucius & 
Draco?)?
>Or  does she mean that the baddies are NOT going to leave all the 
goodies
>undamaged? That because they are evil, they WILL kill some of our
>favorites?

Talisman:
I love this part.  

Ifll add Moosemingfs section for expediency:

>JK: We are dealing with pure evil! So they don't target the extras,
>do they? They go straight for the main characters... Or I do.

>A reprieve to me indicates a baddie gets off and the two that die
>are the "price" that has "to be paid", that are targeted by evil, so
>are therefore goodies.

Talisman:
Actually, shefs saying that shefs going to kill off main 
characters because shefs pure evil.  : ) One of her redeeming 
characteristics.  

Of course shefll employ the bad guys to do her dirty work.

In context Ifd read that as a goodie gets the reprieve. 
 
Ah, well.


SSSusan:
>Given how she handled the DoM battle, with 6 kids taking
>on all those DEs, with so little damage to them all... and again 
the battle
>at Hogwarts in HBP, I do think she has a tendency (like all the cop 
shows on
>TV) to have an inordinate number of good guys dodge bullets (well, 
not
>bullets, but you know what I mean). Maybe you're right that she 
realized,
>"Oh, this is ridiculous. I really do need to kill a couple more 
here."


In spite of my blood thirst, I  think the low mortality rate in the 
DoM made sense.  I scribbled up something to that effect, but canft 
recall if or where I may have posted it.  Ifll dig around for it, 
unless someone stops me. 

David
>What will happen now is that some fans will say "How dare she accuse
>us of sending hate mail! I'm going to write and explain why I'm
>leaving fandom forever because she has ruined my life! I hate her!"


Talisman, who wants David to notice that she was a very good girl, 
and didnft send any outraged mail when that so-and-so axed her Dark 
Phoenix.