which came first, the phoenix or the flame?

Catlady (Rita Prince Winston) catlady at catlady_de_los_angeles.yahoo.invalid
Sun Dec 16 03:56:27 UTC 2007


--- In the_old_crowd at yahoogroups.com, "Kat Macfarlane" <katmac at ...> wrote:

<< I'm sorry, Catlady, but I can think of only one confusing thing at
a time these days, and right now I'm thinking about Heraclitus of
Ephesus, who has always made my sinuses stuff up and my brain go off
line. >>

I'm sorry about your sinuses.

Is that the Heraclitus who said "One cannot step into the same river
twice"? If so, I did have some vague recollection that he said "all is
fire" and spoke of something-dromena, meaning that every element
offends against every element and must make reparations, but I don't
think I ever read of his theory of the origin and therefore didn't
even forget it. If 'fire' is a short word for 'oxidation', then a
great many things are fire, but not smelting. 






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