[the_old_crowd] Re: which came first, the phoenix or the flame?

[Kat Macfarlane]

Heraclitus is definitely the "can't step twice into the same river" guy. I think the quote about offending and making reparations is from Anaximander, one of the Milesians, via one of the commentators on Aristotle, though I can't find an exact quote involving something-dromena (katadromena? anadromena?).

Purrs,

--Kat


  --- In the_old_crowd at yahoogroups.com, "Kat Macfarlane" <katmac at ...> wrote:

  << I'm sorry, Catlady, but I can think of only one confusing thing at
  a time these days, and right now I'm thinking about Heraclitus of
  Ephesus, who has always made my sinuses stuff up and my brain go off
  line. >>

  I'm sorry about your sinuses.

  Is that the Heraclitus who said "One cannot step into the same river
  twice"? If so, I did have some vague recollection that he said "all is
  fire" and spoke of something-dromena, meaning that every element
  offends against every element and must make reparations, but I don't
  think I ever read of his theory of the origin and therefore didn't
  even forget it. If 'fire' is a short word for 'oxidation', then a
  great many things are fire, but not smelting. 



   

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