FW: The Geist predicts again, mostly about Snape

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--- In the_old_crowd at yahoogroups.com, "Amanda Geist" <editor at ...> 
wrote:
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> 
> ~Amandageist
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>  
> 
> P.S.  - I *was* nice enough to leave out all the predictions I'd 
made that
> turned out to be right..
> 
> : D
> 
>  
and I shall be nice enough to leave out all of my predictions that 
were *wrong* (100% to date)
> 
>   _____  
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> (1)  The rest of the Order, along with Harry, go on believing 
Snape is a
> turncoat.

Who wouldn't! Although I'm with Kneasy in that someone ought to have 
doubts....but who? I wonder if it is possible that the trio will get 
some unidentified help giving rise to much speculation, Hermione 
would be the usual suspect for rational analysis but wouldn't it be 
fun if Harry started to believe in Snape! I also wonder if Draco may 
have some intermediary role?

> 
> 
> (2)  Hermione discovers the tarot and thus they realize they are 
looking
> for, among other things, Rowena Ravenclaw's wand.

I think it unlikely the tarot will be referenced directly, clues 
could be in portraits, books or statues although that requires a 
trip to Hogwarts.

> 
>  
> 
> (2.a.)  Ollivander has it. His ancestor made it (they've been in 
business
> for two thousand years, after all). He's hiding; they have to find 
him
> before the other side does.   [but if Voldemort hasn't Horcruxed 
it yet?
> Maybe Ollivander's hiding because he is in danger for the simple 
reason that
> he can tell Harry that he's looking for a wand.]

Hum I think it is Neville's new wand.

> 
> 
> (3) We may see a third in the sequence of brilliant plot 
mechanisms that
> increase Harry and Snape's knowledge/understanding of each other 
without
> their desire to know and without them growing any closer.  Snape 
and Harry
> have already been forced into a deeper understanding through the 
Occlumency
> lessons and the old potions textbook.  I can think of one plot 
device that
> will continue this-more knowledge of Lily and any interaction she 
had with
> Snape.  Since both Snape and Harry see each other through eyes so 
prejudiced
> they don't even realize it, this could lead to many interesting 
over- or
> mis-reactions.


I hadn't thought of it this way, it's a good take. I'd always viewed 
this as a result of the POV. 

So you are thinking along the lines of a letter (or potterverse 
equivalent) to be read in the event of DD's death for example. 
Something along the lines of "here's  the reason I trusted Snape 
tell no one else".

All the interactions between Snape and Harry never lead to greater 
understanding, the occlumency lessons are a prime example, the only 
time Harry managed to repel Snape was when he wasn't thinking but 
was compelled by strong emotion yet Snape is still advising Harry to 
control his emotions which will never work. Lupin teaching Harry the 
patronus charm had the measure of him, with Harry emotions will 
always come first. Harry has no compassion for Snape in spite of 
what he has seen of his past and still doesn't get that there is 
more to magic than foolish wand waving.
> 
>  
> 
> (4) Related to #3: We will learn that he did love Lily; but by 
that I mean
> *he* loved *her,* likely from afar, unless he managed to say 
something and
> was let down easy. I don't think they ever had a relationship. [I 
still
> think part of the strength of the venom he associates with James 
is due to
> some neat sublimation, where he associates all the negative of 
being let
> down to James, and all the positive feelings that remain to Lily. 
Also the
> very deep fear that Lily may have told James; can you imagine his 
(even
> imagined) humiliation, to even consider that James *knew* and 
could have
> laughed?]

Lollipops makes sense but it's sooo lame. For me it would reduce 
Snape's character. I prefer the idea that Lily was a close friend of 
Narcissa (Snape's great love of course), James got Lily but Narcissa 
turned down Snape, now where's the justice in that!

> 
> (5)  We will hear reports of Snape doing things that can be 
interpreted in
> two ways but will be presented as only Evil!Snape.

As above I'm for un-attributed acts of aid which may or may not be 
Snape related but will have his sticky paw prints all over them.

> 
>  
> 
> (5.a.)  Harry will fatally misunderstand some action of Snape's, 
and act
> based on his own interpretation of it, to the great harm of both 
Harry,
> Snape, and the cause. JKR depends on Harry's misinterpretation of 
things as
> a plot driver; and this is prime territory. For example, I will be 
genuinely
> surprised should Snape honestly turn out to be wholeheartedly 
supporting
> Voldemort--but since he must give that impression, and Harry is so 
ready to
> believe it, we will likely see more ambiguity (if not wilfull 
disbelief on
> Harry's part) leading to mishap. Possibly as I outline in #6.

There has to be some jeopardy in the final confrontation, something 
has to risk Harry beyond Voldy and this is as good an option as any. 
The end may all turn on whether Harry should and can trust Snape
> 
> (6)  Harry will confront Voldemort with Snape present.
> 

Oh we do have the makings of an excellent mexican standoff don't we.

>  
> 
> (6.a.) Harry will be unable to withstand Voldemort's mental 
abilities.
> 

Not so sure about this. Perhaps Snape will be unable to withstand 
Voldy at a crucial time - trust needs to go two ways in the end :-)
>  
> 
> (6.b.) Snape will have to mentally "shield" Harry at some point-- 
for only
> with help from someone as skilled as Snape would Harry be able to 
lie or
> even hold his own in a conversation with Voldemort (unless Harry's 
signed up
> for Kwikspell's Occlumency program over the summer).  
> 
>  
Snape will have to mislead, connive, lie and twist on Harry's 
behalf. It isn't in Harry to deceive. Harry will have to throw 
caution to the wind, risk all in an heroic grandstanding piece of 
juvenile but glorious daftness to save Snape. He'll hate it!

> 
> (6.c.)  This will endanger not only Snape himself, but also the 
long-laid
> plans that require Voldemort to trust Snape. Either because (a) 
Voldemort
> detects Snape's action himself; or (b) Harry cannot bring himself 
to trust
> Snape and betrays him to Voldemort.  I can see him doing it, either
> deliberately out of fury at Snape, or inadvertently, out of an 
inability to
> break his habit of resistance to Snape.
> 
>  


> 
> (7)  Regardless of whether it takes the shape I lay out in #6, 
Snape will be
> injured or otherwise damaged through some attempt to protect 
Harry, which
> Harry does not understand and therefore fights, causing it to go 
awry.  A
> potential scenario is in If myIt may be the spell that 
Dumbledore's willing
> death could have been a part of (see #11 below).
> 

Ah the long laid plan and DD's death. Is there a plan? Is DD dead? 
Keeping in mind my duck like batting average I state there is no 
plan. There is only Harry and his moral compass. There will be a 
choice: the right thing or the smart thing, Snape will opt for smart 
Harry will opt for right.

> 
> (8)  Snape will die. All of his character looks backward. He gives 
me the
> impression of someone whose goals are not ahead, except to rectify 
mistakes
> made, and who does not care much if he dies in that attempt. He 
can't let
> the past go, because that's where he lives; I think he accepted 
long ago
> that the future holds only one task for him and nothing else, and 
so has
> made no effort to move past the past that defined that future.  I 
personally
> think he will go heroically in some blaze of redemption, but he's 
toast. 
> 
>  
If Snape dies and Harry lives who's the biggest hero? Of course 
Snape should die, he should die for Draco or Duddly or both. Or 
Dobby!

> 
> (9)  Snape may or may not have been truly evil at various points 
in the
> books or their prehistory--but his final choice will be for the 
good.
> Harry will not believe this until in hindsight.  Harry's not 
understanding
> will be part of what led to Snape's death.
> 
> 
Wouldn't it be great if Snape's final demise was ambiguous?? We may 
never know Snape's true motivation. Nah it won't happen. Snape made 
his choice, he's good. Well mostly good! However, I'm not at all 
convinced he will die, quite possibly he'll be horribly maimed or 
tortured. it will all be Harry's fault.

> (10) Harry will learn why Dumbledore trusts Snape, from a memory 
Dumbledore
> left safely bottled in his office somewhere.  
> 
>  
Yes but when does he find out. The beginning, the middle or the end?

> 
> (10.a.)  Dumbledore did not tell Harry why, because he himself 
didn't know
> (because the memory wasn't in his head, it was in the bottle).
> 
No, not buying that. Either DD was protecting Snape or Harry or 
both, it will be another of DD's high handed decisions.

>  
> 
> (10.b.)  Harry will immediately understand why Dumbledore didn't 
tell him in
> the first place; and immediately wish he still didn't know. (since 
he is
> such a liability where Legilimency is concerned).
> 
> --OR-Harry will convince himself that Dumbledore had been fooled.
> 
>  

Harry will not want to know anything soft and gooey about Snape (who 
does) he won't believe but he'll be so violent in his rejection 
we'll know he really does. He will try and belittle Snape's action 
and justify his own superiority. He will be faced with a similar 
choice and make the opposite call (correctly) but he will realise 
that the outcome was not predetermined, luck plays a part. However, 
we will be left with no illusions as to who made the right choice!
> 
> (11)  We will learn that Dumbledore's death was part of two things:
> 
> --A plan-maybe not Plan A, but definitely one of the potentials, 
and Snape
> was adhering to Dumbledore's will as much as Harry had been when 
Harry fed
> him the potion.
> 
> --A powerful spell, where a willing death was a component, which 
required
> Snape's action to complete.  
> 
> As I said in an earlier post: "I believe that, however Dumbledore 
dies, both
> Harry and Voldemort will *believe* that Snape is responsible. 
Snape will
> foster this belief in Voldemort; it will be an unfortunate 
conclusion drawn
> by Harry (who for whatever reason--Dumbledore's general lack of 
any desire
> to explain anything, a misunderstood conversation, a missed 
message,
> etc.--will not know or will refuse to believe that Snape did not 
do it).  At
> this point, Snape and Dumbledore will have accomplished two key 
things:
> --Snape will have proven himself to Voldemort and will be 
reinstated with
> full DE honors or whatever, in the inner circle. Even if he wasn't 
in the
> Inner inner circle before, I think he will be now, because (a) 
Voldemort's
> followers have diminshed somewhat and (b) Snape now has a very 
useful
> position.
> --The spell, whatever it is, to which Dumbledore's death is 
integral, will
> have been completed (or nearly so).
> "These are key because Snape will now be in a *superb* position to 
implement
> or otherwise set in motion or effect, the spell. Having a 
tremendous spell
> ready is of no use at all, if the spell cannot be cast or 
implemented due to
> lack of access. Access is of no use without a weapon. Snape will 
have both
> the access and the means."
> 
>  

As above I'm not a believer in the cunning plan but as I'm always 
wrong that means its a racing certainty so I'll have to be wrong in 
a different way. So DD is not dead. JKR was having a laugh when she 
poisoned, shot and chucked him off the tower. The plan is that Harry 
will believe there was a plan and that DD wouldn't wilfully abandon 
him to face Voldy with no better friend than Snape. Harry will trust 
DD even though in the end DD isn't there (probably because of some 
misunderstanding between Harry and Snape!).

> 
> (12)  Harry will be brought to a literary parallel with Snape-he 
will be
> presented the opportunity Snape was, in the Shrieking Shack: to 
recognize
> that an object of hatred had been misunderstood and was, in 
actuality,
> following orders and as much a victim as himself.  Much as Snape 
rejected
> the possibility of another view of Lupin, as another to whom 
Dumbledore's
> second chance meant the world--- Harry may reject the possibility 
of any
> other view of Snape than the one he so cherishes and defends.  I 
don't know
> if Harry will completely fail, as Snape did-but I do think his 
hesitation
> will cause major problems, possibly Snape's demise.
> 

Well Draco would be the stand out candidate here don't you think?
> 
> (12)  Snape will have problems maintaining his own control, 
because of
> Dumbledore's death. I think Snape loved Dumbledore. Snape himself 
is
> young--old enough intellectually to accept what Dumbledore asked 
him to do,
> but facing problems of his own on the *emotional* level. He's 
already pretty
> unsteady there as it is.  So Snape's own reactions to what 
happened will
> cause difficulties.  I think that Dumbledore's death devastated 
Snape, for I
> believe that to Snape, as to Lupin, Dumbledore's trust has meant 
everything.
> And he cannot show it at all-leaving a lot of emotion behind a 
dam, ready to
> cause damage if it is breached. Say, by the weakening caused by 
having to
> protect a clueless boy during his confrontation with the Dark Lord.
> Especially if that clueless boy must be shielded because his 
knowledge of
> Dumbledore's plan must be hidden from Voldemort, lest the 
sacrifice Snape
> made in killing Dumbledore be wasted. Especially if he blames that 
clueless
> boy for Dumbledore's death (because I can see him blaming Harry, 
just as
> Harry blames Snape for Sirius' death).  
> 

Ok so DD is dead. In which case Snape will deeply resent that DD 
chose Harry and his non prophecy destiny over a DD and Snape combo 
of wit, intelligence, experience, skill, knowledge and maturity. 
Can't imagine why!
>  
> 
> (13)  Snape will remain Snape and operate on his own terms to the 
end.
> Whatever he does to save Harry or the cause, whenever he does it, 
he will do
> it in his particularly nasty and cruel manner, without one shred of
> softening at all.  We will be denied any dewy-eyed scene of 
forgiveness.
> Snape cannot forgive himself for his past and for what he did to 
Dumbledore,
> and true Slytherin that he is, nobody else's forgiveness matters.  
> 
>  

Reconstructed Snape, what a thought, saved by the love of a good 
woman...nope not going there.
> 
> (14)  Harry will realize Snape's death as a loss, not a triumph.  
Snape is a
> father figure to Harry--one of the most reliable, in fact.  He is 
all the
> negative aspects--the one who doesn't understand, who sets 
curfews, who
> isn't interested in explanations, who sets rules, who doesn't seem 
to care.
> The aspect that you hate. The one you do not appreciate until many 
years
> later--or when he is gone. And we don't have the luxury of "many 
years
> later" in this series (or indications are strong that we don't).
> 
Dead Snape will not be missed but he will be respected. It won't be 
a loss it will be a redemptive sacrifice which is always a gain. 
Harry will take over something of Snape's eg protection/friendship 
of Draco, potions, long greasy hair and so Snape will be 
acknowledged as a father.

Non dead Snape (not undead) will equally command respect he will 
take on something of Harry's eg good parenting of Draco, lasting 
DADA post or a Weasley of his own and so acknowledge the son.


> 
> ~Amandageist, old Snapologist
> 
> 
Jo who never understood the romantic attractions of Snape not even 
after they cast Alan Rickman!