Favorite Fictional/Historical Couples

[Dai Evans]

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Ebony Elizabeth Thomas" <ebonyink at h...> 
wrote:

> Eleanor and Simon had 6-7 kids.  I know the two oldest sons are 
Henry and 
> Simon.  They also had a daughter named Eleanor.
> 
> It was their daughter, Eleanor de Montfort, who married Llewellyn.  
> Llewellyn and Simon had one thing in common--they both didn't care 
much for 
> Henry.
> 
> I fell in love with the Eleanor Plantagenet/Simon de Montfort story 
from 
> reading historical fiction as a teen.  I've read two novels about 
it, and 
> subsequently did some research.  All three Eleanors above were 
legit.

This didn't seem to fit the time line to me so I did some research. 
The Llewellyn you're thinking of here was Llewellyn ap Gruffydd, who 
did indeed marry Eleanor de Montfort. The Llewellyn ap Iorwerth I 
mentioned was Lewellyn ap Gruffydd's grandfather (time line goes, 
father to son; Llewellyn ap Iorwerth, Gruffydd ap Llewellyn and 
Llewellyn ap Gruffydd see?) who did indeed marry another Eleanor, 
Henry IIs illegitimate daughter before his marriage to Isabelle. It's 
all so incestuous isn't it?

> I fell in love with the Eleanor Plantagenet/Simon de Montfort story 
from 
> reading historical fiction as a teen.  I've read two novels about 
it, and 
> subsequently did some research.  All three Eleanors above were 
legit.


Incidentally, who by? I've read some Sharon Penman (Here be Dragons) 
from which I learned my hazy knowledge of Llewellyn ab Iorwerths 
relationship with King John. It's all good stuff.



Dai