[HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Favorite Fictional/Historical Couples

[Dinah]

Can you believe it? Me, major-mushball, and I couldn't think of a couple?
But now I brain-sorted through boks I've read and cam up with a few.

Heathcliffe and Catherin from Wuthering Heights

Lord Byron and his half-sister Augusta (*sigh* they obviously loved each
other and still it was a bad thing)

King Arthur and Morgaine (I'll go with the "Mists of Avalon" version)
Gwenhwyfar and Lancelot

Countess de Winter and d'Artangnon (so she was a bitch, I  know - but it had
spice <g>)

 ~ Dinah ~

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From: Ebony Elizabeth Thomas <ebonyink at hotmail.com>
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Sent: Saturday, February 17, 2001 12:46 AM
Subject: Re: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Favorite Fictional/Historical Couples


> I wrote:
>
> > > 3) Simon de Montfort and Eleanor Plantagenet (daughter of Prince
> >John
> > > from the Robin Hood legends, historical figures)
>
> And Dai responded:
>
> >Quick question; I thought King John's daughter Eleanor married
> >Llewellyn ab Iowerth (when she was about 12 naturally). They were
> >happily married for many years until she had a fling with William de
> >Braose (who Llewellyn promtly hanged before forgiving Eleanor). Who
> >was Simon de Montfort? Am I thinking of the right Eleanor? I think
> >the Eleanor who married Llewellyn was a random illegitimate offshoot
> >of one of John's random affairs (before he married Isabelle), is the
> >Eleanor to whom you refer a legitimate daughter from the union with
> >Isabelle?
>
> You're mixing up Eleanors, I think... easily done!  There was almost an
> Eleanor in every generation of that section of the Plantagenet family
tree,
> I think.  :)
>
> OK--this is oversimplifying a LOT... and I'm far too lazy to look it up...
>
> King John (of the Robin Hood legends; son of Henry the Conqueror and
Eleanor
> of Aquitaine) had five legitimate children that I can think of offhand:
> Henry III--Richard, Duke of Cornwall, Isabel(la?), Joanna, and Eleanor.  I
> believe that the mother of all five children was Isabella of Angouleme.
>
> Eleanor Plantagenet married William Marshal as a child.  Marshal was much
> older than she was.  Marshal died.  Eleanor (now here my memory gets
fuzzy),
> I think, took a vow of perpetual widowhood.  Simon de Montfort came to
> England, bumped heads with Henry, etc.  Events like the Provisions of
Oxford
> and the Battle of Lewes are associated with this guy.
>
> Needless to say, Henry III didn't like the bloke much.  The last thing he
> wanted was him marrying his kid sister.
>
> Well, Simon did.  Got a dispensation from the Pope and swept her off her
> feet.  Historical legend states that it was indeed a love match... there's
> ballads and stuff written about it... when Simon was defeated (darn it,
what
> BATTLE was that?) Eleanor refused a royal pardon and lived out the rest of
> her life with Simon's family in France.
>
> Eleanor and Simon had 6-7 kids.  I know the two oldest sons are Henry and
> Simon.  They also had a daughter named Eleanor.
>
> It was their daughter, Eleanor de Montfort, who married Llewellyn.
> Llewellyn and Simon had one thing in common--they both didn't care much
for
> Henry.
>
> I fell in love with the Eleanor Plantagenet/Simon de Montfort story from
> reading historical fiction as a teen.  I've read two novels about it, and
> subsequently did some research.  All three Eleanors above were legit.
>
> Disclaimer:  I'm an American.
>
> All the best,
>
> Ebs (who *loves* the name Eleanor)
>
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