[HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Favorite Fictional/Historical Couples

Sun Feb 18 03:21:41 UTC 2001

Abelard and Heloise.

--Amanda

Dinah wrote:

> Can you believe it? Me, major-mushball, and I couldn't think of a
> couple?
> But now I brain-sorted through boks I've read and cam up with a few.
>
> Heathcliffe and Catherin from Wuthering Heights
>
> Lord Byron and his half-sister Augusta (*sigh* they obviously loved
> each
> other and still it was a bad thing)
>
> King Arthur and Morgaine (I'll go with the "Mists of Avalon" version)
> Gwenhwyfar and Lancelot
>
> Countess de Winter and d'Artangnon (so she was a bitch, I  know - but
> it had
> spice <g>)
>
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> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Ebony Elizabeth Thomas <ebonyink at hotmail.com>
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> Sent: Saturday, February 17, 2001 12:46 AM
> Subject: Re: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Favorite Fictional/Historical
> Couples
>
>
> > I wrote:
> >
> > > > 3) Simon de Montfort and Eleanor Plantagenet (daughter of Prince
>
> > >John
> > > > from the Robin Hood legends, historical figures)
> >
> > And Dai responded:
> >
> > >Quick question; I thought King John's daughter Eleanor married
> > >Llewellyn ab Iowerth (when she was about 12 naturally). They were
> > >happily married for many years until she had a fling with William
> de
> > >Braose (who Llewellyn promtly hanged before forgiving Eleanor). Who
>
> > >was Simon de Montfort? Am I thinking of the right Eleanor? I think
> > >the Eleanor who married Llewellyn was a random illegitimate
> offshoot
> > >of one of John's random affairs (before he married Isabelle), is
> the
> > >Eleanor to whom you refer a legitimate daughter from the union with
>
> > >Isabelle?
> >
> > You're mixing up Eleanors, I think... easily done!  There was almost
> an
> > Eleanor in every generation of that section of the Plantagenet
> family
> tree,
> > I think.  :)
> >
> > OK--this is oversimplifying a LOT... and I'm far too lazy to look it
> up...
> >
> > King John (of the Robin Hood legends; son of Henry the Conqueror and
>
> Eleanor
> > of Aquitaine) had five legitimate children that I can think of
> offhand:
> > Henry III--Richard, Duke of Cornwall, Isabel(la?), Joanna, and
> Eleanor.  I
> > believe that the mother of all five children was Isabella of
> Angouleme.
> >
> > Eleanor Plantagenet married William Marshal as a child.  Marshal was
> much
> > older than she was.  Marshal died.  Eleanor (now here my memory gets
>
> fuzzy),
> > I think, took a vow of perpetual widowhood.  Simon de Montfort came
> to
> > England, bumped heads with Henry, etc.  Events like the Provisions
> of
> Oxford
> > and the Battle of Lewes are associated with this guy.
> >
> > Needless to say, Henry III didn't like the bloke much.  The last
> thing he
> > wanted was him marrying his kid sister.
> >
> > Well, Simon did.  Got a dispensation from the Pope and swept her off
> her
> > feet.  Historical legend states that it was indeed a love match...
> there's
> > ballads and stuff written about it... when Simon was defeated (darn
> it,
> what
> > BATTLE was that?) Eleanor refused a royal pardon and lived out the
> rest of
> > her life with Simon's family in France.
> >
> > Eleanor and Simon had 6-7 kids.  I know the two oldest sons are
> Henry and
> > Simon.  They also had a daughter named Eleanor.
> >
> > It was their daughter, Eleanor de Montfort, who married Llewellyn.
> > Llewellyn and Simon had one thing in common--they both didn't care
> much
> for
> > Henry.
> >
> > I fell in love with the Eleanor Plantagenet/Simon de Montfort story
> from
> > reading historical fiction as a teen.  I've read two novels about
> it, and
> > subsequently did some research.  All three Eleanors above were
> legit.
> >
> > Disclaimer:  I'm an American.
> >
> > All the best,
> >
> > Ebs (who *loves* the name Eleanor)
> >
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