Mr. Malfoy & the Chamber of Secrets?

[Kelley]

No: HPFGUIDX 4219

--- In HPforGrownups at egroups.com, Amanda Lewanski <editor at t...> wrote:
> But wasn't Voldemort's bitterest complaint in GoF that none of his
> supporters until Wormtail had come to find him? Surely if Lucius 
were in
> contact with him, he [V] would not have been lurking in a forest 
possessing
> rats until Wormtail arrived?

Okay, yeah, that's true.  Perhaps opening the chamber was Lucius' own 
bright idea; he's trying to be a good little DE, and wouldn't his 
ultimate goal in doing this be to assist Vold?
 
> I think the action here is totally independent and had nothing to 
do with> Harry directly, until *after* echo-Tom learned of the defeat 
of his future> self from Ginny. Lucius may well have been acting 
under orders from the> echo-Tom, but I doubt it, since the echo would 
have learned of Harry then.
> Perhaps Lucius just thought the time had come to strew a little 
mayhem at> Hogwarts, with Draco there to fan the flames and all.

Well, maybe the action doesn't focus on Harry til TR learned of him 
from Ginny, but he would have learned it from her pretty early in the 
school year, and since that point, he would have been after Harry.
 
>>this info is why he wanted Harry's blood in GoF, to counteract
>> the 'protection' Harry had from her love.
> 
> I think he worked this out in the long, dark years of lurking in 
forests> possessing chipmunks. He says in GoF that it's an ancient 
magic, "I should> have remembered it," which indicates to me that 
said ancient magic was known> to him even at the time of Lily's and 
James' murders. He just forgot, and> figured out what must have 
caused his plans to go awry while twiddling his> figurative thumbs 
waiting for a lackey or decent possessee to show up.

It seems that the whole point of TR jr. learning of Lily's counter-
charm in CoS, is that he didn't know why he was defeated, and all 
Harry got was a scar, (which yes, he learned from Ginny).  With this 
info, as he was sitting in the forest in Albania, he probably 
thought, "D'oh! The ancient magic!  How could I have forgotten 
that?"  And then began making his plans to counter this 
protection...? 
 
> > Plus, while I believe
> > Harry is always Vold's target, getting Dumble out of the way is an
> > important part of his plan to conquer Harry.
> 
> Rethink. Getting Dumble out of the way is an important part of his 
plan to> conquer the world. He knew this much as a student at 
Hogwarts. His future> self realized that getting Harry out of the way 
was a biggie, too, but Harry> is not the objective; he's a rung on 
the ladder.

Yes, I believe world domination is Vold's ultimate goal.  
(BWAHAHAHAHAAA!)  Back in his school days, and just-out-of-school 
days, TR/Vold knew that Dumble was his biggest obstacle.  As of 
Halloween, 1981, though, he must now know that Harry is his biggest 
obstacle.  What I mean is, Dumble isn't the one who reduced Vold to 
smithereens, it was baby Harry.  If Dumble was still Vold's biggest 
obstacle, why did he go after James, Lily, and Harry there in 
Godric's Hollow that night?  We seem to believe that Harry was Vold's 
main target that night, not J & L; so why was he after Harry?  I 
think this has to do with Trelawney's first correct prediction 
somehow.  Vold has to think Harry is the reason that he's not ruler 
of the world, right?  If not, I can't figure it out.
 
> I've put my finger on it; what bothers me about book 2. It's that
> "interlude" feeling, sort of. The action must be seen so we'll know 
certain> things and understand certain relationships, but this is the 
only book of> the four that feels at all contrived as a vehicle for 
these revelations more> than an entity that needed to be written.

I absolutely see your point here, it's a very good one, but couldn't 
the point of CoS be that Lucius is still being a DE, and trying to do 
~something~ to help his lord Vold?  Couldn't he have been acting on 
Vold's behalf, instead of on his orders? 
 
> The confusing part arises because the bad guys are the same, but 
different.> There's no reason to believe there's any communication 
betwixt the echo-Tom> and Voldemort. I don't think what happens to 
the memory becomes part of V's> memories; that seems a bit farfetched.
> 
> --Amanda

Yes, I see that there's no reason to think there ~is~ communication, 
but there is a possibility that present Vold may have learned about 
the protection, etc., from memory-Tom Riddle.  (Don't ask me 
how, ;o].)  Of course, in CoS, Vold was trying to get Harry out of 
the way for Vold's future self, but as that failed again, Vold still 
has Harry in his way.  Or maybe I'm just completely wrong. <G>  I 
suspect that JKR will prove every one of my theories to be total 
poppycock...

Kelley